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    I'm getting me some Obamacare

    I spend $1650 a month for bottom of line with massive deductible . Looks like if I get a policy with 500 deduct, for under 600 bucks.
    http://www.government-health-insuran...984942567&c1=c

    and I don't care if they'll kill grandma.

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    most people in the middle class will come to realize this.

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    the people screaming the loudest are the ones who least understand it - it's sadly hilarious to listen old white people on Medicare rant about the evils of government-assisted health care. i'm good with the ACA - let's me insure my 23 y/o, when i could not previously. bring the rest of it on - long overdue, imo,

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    Not one single government program is run efficiently examples include welfare, social security , post office so please explain to me why healthcare will be any different? Say no to socialism and embrace capitalism.

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    If you think healthcare is expensive now, wait till its free!
    I wish there were ratings and I could upvote your post BB$

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    Quote Originally Posted by billabongmoney View Post
    Not one single government program is run efficiently examples include welfare, social security , post office so please explain to me why healthcare will be any different? Say no to socialism and embrace capitalism.
    we're the only industrialized country without universal healthcare. germans have had it for about 100 years i think. govt programs do suck but were stuck here for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by billabongmoney View Post
    Not one single government program is run efficiently examples include welfare, social security , post office so please explain to me why healthcare will be any different? Say no to socialism and embrace capitalism.
    I know this isn't really the place for in-depth policy discussions, but it's worth noting that Obamacare isn't actually socialized medicine. Aside from changing some insurance regulations (like allowing children up to age 26 to be covered under their parents' plan), it created insurance "marketplaces" in each state where private, for-profit insurers (like Aetna and Blue Cross) can offer their plans for individuals to choose from. Obamacare also created a "mandate" that everyone buy at least a basic insurance plan (either through their work or if that's not an option their local "marketplace") and those who still choose not to get covered have to pay a tax penalty.

    These ideas actually came from conservative/Republican/free-marketers back in the 90s, but they won't talk about now because they can't see past their own hatred for Obama.
    Last edited by attikus; Oct 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM. Reason: spelling

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    So you that are opposed think it's ok for the insurance cos to keep people off due to preexisting condition and to kick people off due to life time limit? Obama care has it's problems but it's better than what's going on. The "fine" for the mandate is 90 bucks a year. In Va, if you don't get car insurance, you pay an uninsured motorist fee. All this bullschitt about the problems already caused by Ocare, is false because today is the first day.

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    billabongmoney - right on the money with that statement... this is going to be another gov shlt show. this is compounded due to the condition of the economy to begin with. all they needed to do was remove regulations on state-to-state healthcare insurance markets (increase competition) and cost would be driven down to the consumer. as with anything, increased competition leads to a better value for the consumer theyre competing for. this country is in deep deep financial trouble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hinmo24t View Post
    all they needed to do was remove regulations on state-to-state healthcare insurance markets (increase competition) and cost would be driven down to the consumer
    This is mostly true, however prices *should* also go down as participation increases--mainly greater participation by younger, healthy people.

    One thing they didn't touch that they should have is states holding power over mandating what's in insurance plans. NC doesn't have much of a problem in that regard, but NY and NJ are horrendous--that's pretty much the main reason why insurance is so high in those states.

    And don't get me wrong, I'm mostly for states holding rights to govern their citizens but this is a case where cronyism has made the system a complete clusterphvk.