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    I'm getting me some Obamacare

    I spend $1650 a month for bottom of line with massive deductible . Looks like if I get a policy with 500 deduct, for under 600 bucks.
    http://www.government-health-insuran...984942567&c1=c

    and I don't care if they'll kill grandma.

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    most people in the middle class will come to realize this.

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    the people screaming the loudest are the ones who least understand it - it's sadly hilarious to listen old white people on Medicare rant about the evils of government-assisted health care. i'm good with the ACA - let's me insure my 23 y/o, when i could not previously. bring the rest of it on - long overdue, imo,

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    Not one single government program is run efficiently examples include welfare, social security , post office so please explain to me why healthcare will be any different? Say no to socialism and embrace capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billabongmoney View Post
    Not one single government program is run efficiently examples include welfare, social security , post office so please explain to me why healthcare will be any different? Say no to socialism and embrace capitalism.
    we're the only industrialized country without universal healthcare. germans have had it for about 100 years i think. govt programs do suck but were stuck here for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by billabongmoney View Post
    Not one single government program is run efficiently examples include welfare, social security , post office so please explain to me why healthcare will be any different? Say no to socialism and embrace capitalism.
    I know this isn't really the place for in-depth policy discussions, but it's worth noting that Obamacare isn't actually socialized medicine. Aside from changing some insurance regulations (like allowing children up to age 26 to be covered under their parents' plan), it created insurance "marketplaces" in each state where private, for-profit insurers (like Aetna and Blue Cross) can offer their plans for individuals to choose from. Obamacare also created a "mandate" that everyone buy at least a basic insurance plan (either through their work or if that's not an option their local "marketplace") and those who still choose not to get covered have to pay a tax penalty.

    These ideas actually came from conservative/Republican/free-marketers back in the 90s, but they won't talk about now because they can't see past their own hatred for Obama.
    Last edited by attikus; Oct 1, 2013 at 11:29 AM. Reason: spelling

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    Quote Originally Posted by billabongmoney View Post
    Not one single government program is run efficiently examples include welfare, social security , post office so please explain to me why healthcare will be any different? Say no to socialism and embrace capitalism.
    The USPS is not a "government program". It's a private entity.

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    Hey Guy, so you know the USPS is created as a government agency under Title 39, Section 101.1 of the United States Code which states, in part:

    (a) The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billabongmoney View Post
    Hey Guy, so you know the USPS is created as a government agency under Title 39, Section 101.1 of the United States Code which states, in part:

    (a) The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.
    And the retort shall be, "That is unconstitutional!!!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by billabongmoney View Post
    Hey Guy, so you know the USPS is created as a government agency under Title 39, Section 101.1 of the United States Code which states, in part:

    (a) The United States Postal Service shall be operated as a basic and fundamental service provided to the people by the Government of the United States, authorized by the Constitution, created by Act of Congress, and supported by the people. The Postal Service shall have as its basic function the obligation to provide postal services to bind the Nation together through the personal, educational, literary, and business correspondence of the people. It shall provide prompt, reliable, and efficient services to patrons in all areas and shall render postal services to all communities. The costs of establishing and maintaining the Postal Service shall not be apportioned to impair the overall value of such service to the people.

    The USPS in the 1800s used strong arm tactics to create a monopoly on mail distro... there were several private mail delivery firms thruout history here's the story of how just one of those WARS against private mail service went down : http://www.lysanderspooner.org/STAMP3.htm