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    Ask a Canadian how long elective surgery takes.

    9 months?

    12 months?

    If you're lucky.

    Socialized anything is a nightmare waiting to happen, especially with progressives at the proverbial helm. You guys are absolutely whacked and sucking the msnbc teet if you think otherwise.

    Ask a Brit about their stellar disease survival rate Solid cancer numbers too :triple roll eyes:

    Socialism doesn't work. It never has. It never will. It's a fluffy cloud of optimism run by people who have never taken an economics class in their life.
    Last edited by MichaelJR; Jun 20, 2014 at 06:37 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    Ask a Canadian how long elective surgery takes.

    9 months?

    12 months?

    If you're lucky.

    Why? because nobody has to chose between fixing a health problem and going deep in debt. Last year, my health insurance and co pay was a quarter of my gross. I have no health problems. I pay all that to have a chick to put her finger in my bum and fondle the ol' boys once a year. I couldn't actually afford anything else. But, in Canada, the rich chose to come to the US fior health care. not because it's the greatest, but because there's no waiting.

    At least O got rid of the "Pre existing condition" and "lifetime limit" for us. It's great that 'Merka is a Christian nation. Isn't Christian a Koch bro?

    Besides that, you've had affordable health care since Mittens reign, so fuggoff!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicharronne View Post
    First off, you've had affordable health care since Mittens reign, so fuggoff!

    Why? because nobody has to chose between fixing a health problem and going deep in debt. Last year, my health insurance and co pay was a quarter of my gross. I have no health problems. I pay all that to have a chick to put her finger in my bum and fondle the ol' boys once a year. I couldn't actually afford anything else. But, in Canada, the rich chose to come to the US fior health care. not because it's the greatest, but because there's no waiting.

    At least O got rid of the "Pre existing condition" and "lifetime limit" for us. It's great that 'Merka is a Christian nation. Isn't Christian a Koch bro?
    Yeah MA system is whacked. Trust me on that. MA Health is accepted by....about 10 places. The short list is BAD, and the wait is worse. It's not what you think it is.

    What people are forgetting about O-care, is the skyrocketing deductible.

    I'm in health care. Doctors behind closed doors are running for the hills, although they have to act lockstep with the ranking folks to maintain position. This isn't going to be pretty.

    As for Canadian health care/hospitals/docs vs US....night and day. They come here for short waits, and they come here for superior care. Thus, anyone overseas with a serious condition lands at Beth Israel, Mass general, or Brigham and Womens.

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    Just think, if the RepugnuTards had actually did more for the citizens and less about fuggin a black guy, what kind progess we'da had these last 6 years. The last guy, who can't be blamed, left the guy neck deep in schitt. He take a scoop out, and crybaby Boner put 2 scoops back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicharronne View Post
    Just think, if the RepugnuTards had actually did more for the citizens and less about fuggin a black guy, what kind progess we'da had these last 6 years. The last guy, who can't be blamed, left the guy neck deep in schitt. He take a scoop out, and crybaby Boner put 2 scoops back.
    Both parties are guilty. Republocrats man. If you take both of their records, put them side by side (minus social issues), tell me the difference.
    Goldman Sachs - Check
    NSA- Check
    Crony capitalism - Check
    Patriot act/NDAA - Check
    Over spending - Check
    War war war - Check
    Crippling small business - Check

    This two party partisan BS is killing us.

    This last election wouldn't have changed a thing. Rombamaney. Same damn person.

    I voted Gary Johnson, my conscious is clear.

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    No, only
    One party bailed out Sacks
    One party instituted the NSA, after allowing a terrorist act
    one party is dedicated to giving all to the "Job creators"
    One party is responsible violating the constitution by using the word Patriot
    One party started 2 wars at the same time
    One party has burden the small business owners with a massive tax bill inorder to keep the richest from paying their fare share

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicharronne View Post
    No, only
    One party bailed out Sacks
    One party instituted the NSA, after allowing a terrorist act
    one party is dedicated to giving all to the "Job creators"
    One party is responsible violating the constitution by using the word Patriot
    One party started 2 wars at the same time
    One party has burden the small business owners with a massive tax bill inorder to keep the richest from paying their fare share
    NDAA Brah. Obama pushed that thru, makes patriot act look like ginger beer man. And he expanded the patriot act. Bush lite.

    GOP might have started them....Dems made no attempt to stop it though. If anything, they threw gas on the fire for most issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelJR View Post
    NDAA Brah. Obama pushed that thru, makes patriot act look like ginger beer man. And he expanded the patriot act. Bush lite.

    GOP might have started them....Dems made no attempt to stop it though. If anything, they threw gas on the fire for most issues.
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    i agree dog

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    Yes, they are all one in the same. Just wolves in sheep's clothing, and sheep dressed like sheep. They are no different. Obama ran on a platform that he was unable to deliver, which he and his campaign KNEW. But it worked. They just wanted to get their foot in the door. They knew the reality was that they would have to continue to in most cases in this country, the exact same way that the BUSH admin already had. It wasn't about hope and change, it was about getting the numbers back and getting the republican's out of office. Once that happened, it was just whipping together a failing health care plan, throwing it out to the public and saying, see I told you I could do it, in the hopes that it will be enough to get Hillary in next.

    It's never been about REPs and DEMs. If there was a DEM in office when Bush was, we still would have invaded Iraq. Those decisions and the direction his administration took our country was an inevitable one. It would have been the same, no matter who was in there. It doesn't matter how quickly he got up from reading to first graders. Any DEM president would have gotten the same intel, from the same 500, very important people with top level security clearance telling him to go after WMDs. Just like it doesn't matter that Obama is in office when they got Bin Laden. Anyone in those situations, will make the same decisions, when hundreds of their trusted advisers, FROM BOTH PARTIES, inform them to do so.

    Same with Obama. If republicans were in office the last 6 years, we would be in the same situations were are in now. The only difference would be, we may have a few LESS false promises.

    6 years ago, the nation thought by 2016, every american will have healthcare coverage. Obamacare, at it's maximum level is designed to reach only 28 Million people. That is roughly 8% of our population, while others have had adverse affects on their healthcare because of it....

    So its all the same. Everyone lies. Obama and the Dems knew that anything short of a completely Socialistic approach to an overhaul, that this was never meant to work. They knew it. Everyone knew it. People call this a "Big Victory"... How do you figure?

    The Banks got bailed out. The economy STILL sucks. The Automotive industry got bailed out. We are still involved in the same wars we were 6 years ago. We are losing the same amount of troops that we were then. We still have a jacked up health care system that is outrageous, the insurance and pharmaceutical industry keep lining the governments pockets and life goes on.

    No one, wants to fix the problem. No one wants to piss off their corporate allies. Obama should have shuffled up the insurance industry and started to compete with them. If our government could take control of the broken insurance industry, I bet we would all be better off and I bet you that they would find MUCH MORE efficient ways to run hospitals and every facet of the industry when they stood to profit, by shelling out LESS MONEY. Obama should have let the banks crash. Reps would have done the same thing. But it takes failure to bring on change sometimes, and everyone just keeps turning the other cheek. In order to save a bunch of white collar jobs, worth millions each and to save an industry, that is nothing but investment and excess cash, because of political influences, it wasn't touched.

    Well, next time banks run out of money, let them fail. They overextended themselves at the expense of our country. If these banks gave out loans to underqualified applicants, knowing it, THE BANKS SHOULD SUFFER. I could care less if all those bad loans never got paid back... The industry is broken, and until someone lets it finally die. it will just go on and on and on.

    Let insurance DIE. Let PHARM companies DIE. Let the BANKS DIE. No one on either side has the balls to do it.

    This country doesn't MAKE anything anymore. We just moved money around, pass debts off.

    I mean, i bought a house in the fall, like 2 days later, I get a letter saying that my loan was purchased by Chase. I am like, WTF? Banks just sit their passing wealth and assets around.

    Obama should have manned up, and let the sh** hit the fan. Now he is just leaving it on the next guys lap....

    Obama's resume:

    nothing
    nothing
    nothing
    weed is legal in 2 states
    nothing
    nothing
    and




    nothing


    Just like BUSH's resume... I can dish it out to any sides here.
    Last edited by zach619; Jun 20, 2014 at 07:51 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    Yes, they are all one in the same. Just wolves in sheep's clothing, and sheep dressed like sheep. They are no different. Obama ran on a platform that he was unable to deliver, which he and his campaign KNEW. But it worked. They just wanted to get their foot in the door. They knew the reality was that they would have to continue to in most cases in this country, the exact same way that the BUSH admin already had. It wasn't about hope and change, it was about getting the numbers back and getting the republican's out of office. Once that happened, it was just whipping together a failing health care plan, throwing it out to the public and saying, see I told you I could do it, in the hopes that it will be enough to get Hillary in next.

    It's never been about REPs and DEMs. If there was a DEM in office when Bush was, we still would have invaded Iraq. Those decisions and the direction his administration took our country was an inevitable one. It would have been the same, no matter who was in there. It doesn't matter how quickly he got up from reading to first graders. Any DEM president would have gotten the same intel, from the same 500, very important people with top level security clearance telling him to go after WMDs. Just like it doesn't matter that Obama is in office when they got Bin Laden. Anyone in those situations, will make the same decisions, when hundreds of their trusted advisers, FROM BOTH PARTIES, inform them to do so.

    Same with Obama. If republicans were in office the last 6 years, we would be in the same situations were are in now. The only difference would be, we may have a few LESS false promises.

    6 years ago, the nation thought by 2016, every american will have healthcare coverage. Obamacare, at it's maximum level is designed to reach only 28 Million people. That is roughly 8% of our population, while others have had adverse affects on their healthcare because of it....

    So its all the same. Everyone lies. Obama and the Dems knew that anything short of a completely Socialistic approach to an overhaul, that this was never meant to work. They knew it. Everyone knew it. People call this a "Big Victory"... How do you figure?

    The Banks got bailed out. The economy STILL sucks. The Automotive industry got bailed out. We are still involved in the same wars we were 6 years ago. We are losing the same amount of troops that we were then. We still have a jacked up health care system that is outrageous, the insurance and pharmaceutical industry keep lining the governments pockets and life goes on.

    No one, wants to fix the problem. No one wants to piss off their corporate allies. Obama should have shuffled up the insurance industry and started to compete with them. If our government could take control of the broken insurance industry, I bet we would all be better off and I bet you that they would find MUCH MORE efficient ways to run hospitals and every facet of the industry when they stood to profit, by shelling out LESS MONEY. Obama should have let the banks crash. Reps would have done the same thing. But it takes failure to bring on change sometimes, and everyone just keeps turning the other cheek. In order to save a bunch of white collar jobs, worth millions each and to save an industry, that is nothing but investment and excess cash, because of political influences, it wasn't touched.

    Well, next time banks run out of money, let them fail. They overextended themselves at the expense of our country. If these banks gave out loans to underqualified applicants, knowing it, THE BANKS SHOULD SUFFER. I could care less if all those bad loans never got paid back... The industry is broken, and until someone lets it finally die. it will just go on and on and on.

    Let insurance DIE. Let PHARM companies DIE. Let the BANKS DIE. No one on either side has the balls to do it.

    This country doesn't MAKE anything anymore. We just moved money around, pass debts off.

    I mean, i bought a house in the fall, like 2 days later, I get a letter saying that my loan was purchased by Chase. I am like, WTF? Banks just sit their passing wealth and assets around.

    Obama should have manned up, and let the sh** hit the fan. Now he is just leaving it on the next guys lap....

    Obama's resume:

    nothing
    nothing
    nothing
    weed is legal in 2 states
    nothing
    nothing
    and




    nothing


    Just like BUSH's resume... I can dish it out to any sides here.
    This man speaks the truth.