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    the vast majority of people support a safety net. People have issue when the safety net is used as a primary source of income by those who find it eaiser to collect the money than use it to better their lives. Same thing with govt in general. most understand the need for govt but the problem is the insane amount of waste: http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-11-318SP

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    this talk of whiners is funny coming from the sources they are. the final House proposal funded the govt (as all did) but removed the Obamacare exemptions for Congress, High govt offices and some large businesses. Surely, those of you the hate all things smacking of success shouldn't have an issue with that (sticking it to those evil rich people). If Obamacare is SO great the WHY are there so many exemptions for those who support the President?????????

    I also heard the 'law of the land argument. Did you know int he 90s, Congress and Clinton enacted a law requiring people on welfare to work. Sounds like that is the law of the land to me too but Obama nullified that requirement via executive action.

    The irony on all of this is that the left hated Bush because they thought he was out to destroy freedom and the right hates Obama for the same thing. Like I said, time to split up the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    Like I said, time to split up the country.
    We are already there, and that's why things are so fukked up right now. We need more than a 2 party system. Both the right and the left only work for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    We are already there, and that's why things are so fukked up right now. We need more than a 2 party system. Both the right and the left only work for themselves.
    No i mean literally split up the country. one would be governed based on collectivist principles and the other will be governed based on individual freedom and responsibility. it actually makes a lot of sense. In urban areas, collectivism has some merit but doesn't not work well in suburban and rural areas. That is the crux of the division, the collectivists try to force the individualists to live by their philosophy and vice versa.

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    pumpmaster - yeah there is a serious amount of irony there. congress and unions and their cadillac plans want to be exempt from Obamacare...ever hear of a cook that refuses to eat the food he prepares in his resturaunt? aholes. also, the Clinton act, requiring ppl on welfare to work is smart and Romney was planning on getting that going again if he got into office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rodndtube View Post
    Amen.

    My friends from Australia and Sweden don't understand what all this excitement about ACA.
    Yeah as rodndtube points out.......

    Why can't America get it together to provide universal health care? Every other first world nation does it. Is America inferior? F%$#ING RWANDA has universial health care.

    Yes, I know a lot of youse guys have the, " Oh well he/she can't afford healthcare......let them die.......oh well, they have no food or shelter....let them rot.....not my problem" syndrome.

    But that's just plain wrong. If you can give a helping hand then you should. You people have to get over this obsession with cars, toys, tech gadgets, and other material possessions.

    All you need is shelter, food(pizza), clothing(Quiksilver), wetsuits, boards and weed. That's all you need. And wetsuits and boards aren't material possessions. They are mere vehicles to tap into a spiritual force greater than one's self. Same with weed. God, if I had any weed, I'd be unstopable.

    Stop being so greedy and self-centered. Take care of your neighbor. You may need help some day, too. Pumpmaster, remember even Red lost his job, and he was lucky to get that job at Price Mart. But what if he didn't get that job? He would have ended up jackin' it in San Diego..........

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    I lost my job three times. never once took welfare. I went out and got sh!tty jobs to pay the bills and worked to get something better (now there is a novel concept)

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    keep your capitalism and greed, its one of the reasons we are in so many wars. i mean for some odd reason i dont think that our foreign policy's are shaped by lobbyists from huge corporations. i mean war is big business. what does it cost to pay off the congress? 1 dollar thats right theyre like little strippers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandblasters View Post
    keep your capitalism and greed, its one of the reasons we are in so many wars. i mean for some odd reason i dont think that our foreign policy's are shaped by lobbyists from huge corporations. i mean war is big business. what does it cost to pay off the congress? 1 dollar thats right theyre like little strippers.
    what do you do for a living????

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    No i mean literally split up the country. one would be governed based on collectivist principles and the other will be governed based on individual freedom and responsibility. it actually makes a lot of sense. In urban areas, collectivism has some merit but doesn't not work well in suburban and rural areas. That is the crux of the division, the collectivists try to force the individualists to live by their philosophy and vice versa.
    I have been advocating for this splitting of the country, too. I even mapped it out on this site awhile ago. Blue land entails all of the west coast; the Candian border states; east through the Great Lakes States to Maine; then down to North Carolina. The reds get the interior states and SC and FL on the east coast. Good luck !!! You'll lose. For one thing the conservative base is comprised of incestial rubes who can't read or write.

    But ummm, your side, based on, "individual freedom and responsibility," does not define republicans. Republicans support every freedom supressing law in existence. Individual freedom? What individual freedoms do the right support? I don't know of any.

    Is cutting taxes, especially for the wealthy, and then starting two wars without a funding source being fiscially responsible?

    Is banning abortion, creating a FCC Indecency Crusade, urine testing, examples of FREEDOM? So, Howard Stern can't talk aboot vagina on the airwaves, huh? And the government can collect and analyze my urine? Freedom and responsibility.............Freedom and responsibility

    And your synopsis on the spending bill up above lost me.

    And for God's sakes people, being on welfare is NOT an ideal life.

    WOULD YOU GO ON WELFARE? But the benefits are so appealing !!! A single dude in NJ can get $140.00 in cash a month !! WOW, living large. $200.00 in food stamps. You can wait on a list for some emergency housing BS where you can live in places like Bridgeton, Atlantic City, Camden, Trenton, Newark and Jersey City - and not the nice side of the tracks ......

    Wow, that sounds wonderful!!! I think I'll quit my 100,000 a year job to go on welfare. That way I can just sit on my steps all day drinking and yelling at passersby. Man I hope I get housing in Camden, that'll save me transportation money when I go get my crack because everyone on welfare smokes crack, right. DAMN, I wish I was a chick cause I could get pregnant a bunch of times......

    You republicans are just evil, unsympathetic, cruel people.......whose WHOLE way of thinking changes when something BAD happens to you.

    Hey republicans in Jersey and NY.....did you have your hand out after Sandy??? Huh, I bet you you did. YEAH FEDERAL ASSISTANCE !!!! Oh but that's different, right? Yeah because something bad happened to YOU.