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  1. #31
    Scorchie is right.... If you're going to get a custom shape have it thinned out, make it a little wider and shorter. This will allow for good float and you can still jam turns with it. Keep the rocker to a minimum it you go that way. Put some bigger fins, like G7's and those fins will give you more drive.

    There are actually some free autocads for surfboards on the web if you want to tinker around with designing one yourself.

    Check this out.... at the very least its fun to play around with!

    http://www.shape3d.com/

  2. #32
    This site may also be helpful...

    Maybe able to find a good local shaper on here.

    http://www.swaylocks.com/

  3. #33

    A typical performance-grom board for a 200 lb. surfer for head-high surf - 47 litres

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    Quote Originally Posted by wavehog1 View Post
    Scorchie is right.... If you're going to get a custom shape have it thinned out, make it a little wider and shorter. This will allow for good float and you can still jam turns with it. Keep the rocker to a minimum it you go that way. Put some bigger fins, like G7's and those fins will give you more drive.

    There are actually some free autocads for surfboards on the web if you want to tinker around with designing one yourself.

    Check this out.... at the very least its fun to play around with!

    http://www.shape3d.com/
    Some quick numbers for a typical performance shape shortboard:
    1.
    7'4" x 22" x 2 3/4" - 45 litres (this is a tiny bit less float than you need). This is 5 1/2N rocker, 2 9/16"T and
    it has good thickness flow as in thinner tail and nose than required (1 17/32" nose - 1', 1 41/64" tail + 1'). So
    these numbers are almost for a guy like me (this board would turn pretty well and squirt in tubes pretty well, it's just not floaty enough for you.

    2. So let's thicken the tail and nose a tiny bit (since the above thicknesses are for a 6'10" board 200 lb.
    surfer like myself. With the above but 1 3/4" tail + 1' and 1 5/8" nose - 1', we only get up to 46 litres. Now, the above board had only a 11 31/64" nose - 1' in outline - AHA! We need to give you a slightly larger
    outline (that will work and get you into lots more waves!). So here's your tail + 1' outline and nose - 1' outline
    needed to get you some fun head-high waves: We'll take the nose - 1' up to 13 1/2". This is still good
    and carvy. I can take you up to about 16" in the tail + 1' (we were at about 15" or so). Now we're at
    47 litres. We are now at the minimum float for you. You could probably surf this board. If we go up
    to 2 13/16" we get a 48.6 litre board. I would not go higher than that but you could go all the way
    to 2 7/8" if necessary. At 2 7/8", we have about 49.6 litres (which is enough easily for you once you
    work out a little and practice).

    So in 1), we started with a perfectly normal performance shortboard, and at the end of 2), we are at
    a board that's even floatier than a typical big-guy, since it has the larger outline.

    3) Now here's a walk backwards along a different route: Let's pull the nose in now that we are at 2 7/8"
    thickness (our absolute tolerable maximum) down to about 13 1/2" again. Now the volume is still over
    49.1 litres but the board is back more to performance again. THIS IS YOUR BOARD! After a year, we
    go down to 2 3/4" thickness, your volume is still 46.974 litres. You'll be ok after a year. Just be careful
    not to paddle too much or your arms will get gigantic! So the board in 3) is back to a big-guy, but
    performance-oriented board since the nose is pulled in a little - it has a nice floaty tail to catch
    waves but it's carvy. Perfect board!

    I have the files if you need them. By the way, I don't like the concept of a "big-guy" board.
    We should just take a "small-guy" board and give it more float. That's all. Recently, I
    was in a Boston-area shop, and there was not one GOOD board for a larger surfer. All the
    boards in the 6'8" - 7'2" range had either too much width, too much thickness, the wrong
    shape, or all of the above. So dude, I feel for you. But since you're in Jersey, you'll find
    something. One of my best boards came from a New Jersey surfer - it cost me $100.00 used.
    It's a 6'10" board.

    Just click on the little surfboard and it will give you a larger pic of the board I am envisioning for you.

    Keep in mind that we can take some off of the width - 22" is a little bit high - I would try 20 or 21"
    as you get better at surfing. Your volume will still be above 45 litres or thereabouts for a 2 7/8" board
    and about 44.9 litres when we get down to 2 3/4" in thickness. Not too bad.
    Enjoy!
    Last edited by ScorchieLeWave; Oct 6, 2013 at 01:42 PM. Reason: pic not showing

  4. #34
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    Scorchie's got some sound logic in his last post... To add to what he says:

    Dropping width in increments of inches is pretty drastic. I winced a bit at 22", but like he says later, closer to 21 would be my suggestion... like 21.25 or 21.5, depending on...

    Thickness... that center thickness of 2 7/8 is at one point in the foil of the board. Boards are foiled nose to tail (he suggests nose and tail thicknesses, so that's a hint at nose to tail foil), but also rail to rail. Flattening the deck will increase rail volume. Crowning the deck will lower rail volume. There's purpose to both of these, but know that a really thick board at 2 7/8 with a crowned deck and a performance rail volume will ball up too much foam through the middle of the board. This can create instability and can lead to bogging when the board is put on a rail. You can bring that center thickness down a bit, flatten the deck, and put a little more volume in the rail to address those design flaws, particularly in a board for 200+ lb guys. I'm only 10lbs lighter than you... my performance boards are 2 9/16 - 2 5/8, and between 6'6 and 7'0, the latter having a more crowned deck and for the biggest surf we get here, with more than enough float for me.

    And that's where an experienced shaper will be able to fine tune a board for you... that balance between volume and performance that arises out of the complexities of design not measured in typical dimensions. Rail volume and deck contours are not standardized, even within the industry, for example. But you gotta start somewhere, and the discussion above is a really good place to start.

  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by LBCrew View Post
    Scorchie's ... place to start.
    LBCrew's obviously a talented surfer who knows his stuff! To WOPWOP77, New Jersey will probably
    have a board or two for you - don't despair! By the way, WOPWOP77 MAY be able to surf boards
    almost as thin as LBCrew or myself before long - your chest-strength and other factors such as
    where you line up out there ALSO affect your wave-catching ability. Keep in mind that some boards
    with bigger outlines will catch the wave easily but perhaps NOT make the lip before it pitches - this
    is where experience comes in - you'll eventually get the hang of head-high/overhead surf! I learned
    to surf on a 7' rented shortboard in Huntingdon Beach, CA - I just kept moving closer and closer to the
    beach until I caught a wave - I was 205 lbs. at the time. Good luck getting a board - hopefully someone local
    can guide you as a mentor through the custom shaper/board selection process!


  6. #36
    A Rusty BigCat might be what you would want if you want an off-the-shelf board. Rusty is good about
    rocker, rail/deck shapes etc.. I have a 6'6" board of his that works better than any of my 6'6" boards.

    This is from Swaylocks which took this quote from Rusty's site:

    From Rusty's Website:

    The "Big Cat" is one of Rusty's most
    popular new models. It is a great bigger guy board. It is a mix between a
    Piranha and a regular shortboard. Has some of the fishie qualities of the
    Piranha without the extra width and volume. Should work in a wider variety of
    conditions. Most quad fin enthusiasts swear by this board. Most of the bigger
    guys at my local spot, have made the switch over to quad fins. The extra drive
    and less drag you get from a quad really helps the big brudda's get moving.



    Dimensions:

    Nose=13”-14” Tail=14-1/2”--15-1/2" Tail 1-1/2 to 1-3/4” wider than nose



    7-0 x 21-1/4”x2-3/4” 7-8 x 22-1/4”x3-1/8”

    7-2 x 21-1/2”x2-13/16” 7-10 x 22-1/2”x x3-1/8”

    7-4 x 21-3/4”x2-7/8” 8-0 x 22-3/4”x3-3/16”

    7-6 x 22-0/0”x3-0/0”

    Perhaps you could order a custom one of these with a square tail or less width/thickness. Perhaps
    send them a note.

    Hoy Runnels shapes for Rusty. 40,000+ boards shaped.

  7. #37
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    Quote Originally Posted by ScorchieLeWave View Post
    A Rusty BigCat might be what you would want if you want an off-the-shelf board. Rusty is good about rocker, rail/deck shapes etc..... from Rusty's site:

    7-0 x 21-1/4”x2-3/4”
    Yes... pretty much what I was thinking, coming down from a 7'4 funboard.

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by LBCrew View Post
    Yes... pretty much what I was thinking, coming down from a 7'4 funboard.
    Good idea, and one thing that would be nice is if other surfers could let him try a board down around the low 40s in litres. Let him try it out - this would certainly be a challenge but I think that's what WOPWOP77 is looking for. He's tired of the fun shape so he needs to leap into a whole different world of surfing. He might even surf better with less board. If not, he can go with a couple inches longer. I just hope he doesn't buy a board and can't catch any waves for like a year - that would stink. 21 1/4" is not a bad width to start shortboarding on.

  9. #39
    This is a good thread braddahs. Scorchie and LBC are killing it. Boss authorities.

  10. #40
    This is WopWop and I just wanted to thank all the people who took time to give me great advice on what board to buy. After reading all the informative posts Im pretty sure I am going to see one of the local shapers to help me out with my new girl. Thanks again to all for your great ideas.