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Thread: Higher performance board.
Oct 5, 2013, 04:59 PM #31Senior Member
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A typical performance-grom board for a 200 lb. surfer for head-high surf - 47 litres
7'4" x 22" x 2 3/4" - 45 litres (this is a tiny bit less float than you need). This is 5 1/2N rocker, 2 9/16"T and
it has good thickness flow as in thinner tail and nose than required (1 17/32" nose - 1', 1 41/64" tail + 1'). So
these numbers are almost for a guy like me (this board would turn pretty well and squirt in tubes pretty well, it's just not floaty enough for you.
2. So let's thicken the tail and nose a tiny bit (since the above thicknesses are for a 6'10" board 200 lb.
surfer like myself. With the above but 1 3/4" tail + 1' and 1 5/8" nose - 1', we only get up to 46 litres. Now, the above board had only a 11 31/64" nose - 1' in outline - AHA! We need to give you a slightly larger
outline (that will work and get you into lots more waves!). So here's your tail + 1' outline and nose - 1' outline
needed to get you some fun head-high waves: We'll take the nose - 1' up to 13 1/2". This is still good
and carvy. I can take you up to about 16" in the tail + 1' (we were at about 15" or so). Now we're at
47 litres. We are now at the minimum float for you. You could probably surf this board. If we go up
to 2 13/16" we get a 48.6 litre board. I would not go higher than that but you could go all the way
to 2 7/8" if necessary. At 2 7/8", we have about 49.6 litres (which is enough easily for you once you
work out a little and practice).
So in 1), we started with a perfectly normal performance shortboard, and at the end of 2), we are at
a board that's even floatier than a typical big-guy, since it has the larger outline.
3) Now here's a walk backwards along a different route: Let's pull the nose in now that we are at 2 7/8"
thickness (our absolute tolerable maximum) down to about 13 1/2" again. Now the volume is still over
49.1 litres but the board is back more to performance again. THIS IS YOUR BOARD! After a year, we
go down to 2 3/4" thickness, your volume is still 46.974 litres. You'll be ok after a year. Just be careful
not to paddle too much or your arms will get gigantic! So the board in 3) is back to a big-guy, but
performance-oriented board since the nose is pulled in a little - it has a nice floaty tail to catch
waves but it's carvy. Perfect board!
I have the files if you need them. By the way, I don't like the concept of a "big-guy" board.
We should just take a "small-guy" board and give it more float. That's all. Recently, I
was in a Boston-area shop, and there was not one GOOD board for a larger surfer. All the
boards in the 6'8" - 7'2" range had either too much width, too much thickness, the wrong
shape, or all of the above. So dude, I feel for you. But since you're in Jersey, you'll find
something. One of my best boards came from a New Jersey surfer - it cost me $100.00 used.
It's a 6'10" board.
Just click on the little surfboard and it will give you a larger pic of the board I am envisioning for you.
Keep in mind that we can take some off of the width - 22" is a little bit high - I would try 20 or 21"
as you get better at surfing. Your volume will still be above 45 litres or thereabouts for a 2 7/8" board
and about 44.9 litres when we get down to 2 3/4" in thickness. Not too bad.
Last edited by ScorchieLeWave; Oct 6, 2013 at 01:42 PM. Reason: pic not showing
Oct 6, 2013, 03:23 PM #33
Scorchie's got some sound logic in his last post... To add to what he says:
Dropping width in increments of inches is pretty drastic. I winced a bit at 22", but like he says later, closer to 21 would be my suggestion... like 21.25 or 21.5, depending on...
Thickness... that center thickness of 2 7/8 is at one point in the foil of the board. Boards are foiled nose to tail (he suggests nose and tail thicknesses, so that's a hint at nose to tail foil), but also rail to rail. Flattening the deck will increase rail volume. Crowning the deck will lower rail volume. There's purpose to both of these, but know that a really thick board at 2 7/8 with a crowned deck and a performance rail volume will ball up too much foam through the middle of the board. This can create instability and can lead to bogging when the board is put on a rail. You can bring that center thickness down a bit, flatten the deck, and put a little more volume in the rail to address those design flaws, particularly in a board for 200+ lb guys. I'm only 10lbs lighter than you... my performance boards are 2 9/16 - 2 5/8, and between 6'6 and 7'0, the latter having a more crowned deck and for the biggest surf we get here, with more than enough float for me.
And that's where an experienced shaper will be able to fine tune a board for you... that balance between volume and performance that arises out of the complexities of design not measured in typical dimensions. Rail volume and deck contours are not standardized, even within the industry, for example. But you gotta start somewhere, and the discussion above is a really good place to start.
have a board or two for you - don't despair! By the way, WOPWOP77 MAY be able to surf boards
almost as thin as LBCrew or myself before long - your chest-strength and other factors such as
where you line up out there ALSO affect your wave-catching ability. Keep in mind that some boards
with bigger outlines will catch the wave easily but perhaps NOT make the lip before it pitches - this
is where experience comes in - you'll eventually get the hang of head-high/overhead surf! I learned
to surf on a 7' rented shortboard in Huntingdon Beach, CA - I just kept moving closer and closer to the
beach until I caught a wave - I was 205 lbs. at the time. Good luck getting a board - hopefully someone local
can guide you as a mentor through the custom shaper/board selection process!
A Rusty BigCat might be what you would want if you want an off-the-shelf board. Rusty is good about
rocker, rail/deck shapes etc.. I have a 6'6" board of his that works better than any of my 6'6" boards.
This is from Swaylocks which took this quote from Rusty's site:
From Rusty's Website:
The "Big Cat" is one of Rusty's most
popular new models. It is a great bigger guy board. It is a mix between a
Piranha and a regular shortboard. Has some of the fishie qualities of the
Piranha without the extra width and volume. Should work in a wider variety of
conditions. Most quad fin enthusiasts swear by this board. Most of the bigger
guys at my local spot, have made the switch over to quad fins. The extra drive
and less drag you get from a quad really helps the big brudda's get moving.
Nose=13”-14” Tail=14-1/2”--15-1/2" Tail 1-1/2 to 1-3/4” wider than nose
7-0 x 21-1/4”x2-3/4” 7-8 x 22-1/4”x3-1/8”
7-2 x 21-1/2”x2-13/16” 7-10 x 22-1/2”x x3-1/8”
7-4 x 21-3/4”x2-7/8” 8-0 x 22-3/4”x3-3/16”
7-6 x 22-0/0”x3-0/0”
Perhaps you could order a custom one of these with a square tail or less width/thickness. Perhaps
send them a note.
Hoy Runnels shapes for Rusty. 40,000+ boards shaped.
Oct 6, 2013, 06:32 PM #36
Oct 6, 2013, 11:20 PM #38
This is a good thread braddahs. Scorchie and LBC are killing it. Boss authorities.
This is WopWop and I just wanted to thank all the people who took time to give me great advice on what board to buy. After reading all the informative posts Im pretty sure I am going to see one of the local shapers to help me out with my new girl. Thanks again to all for your great ideas.
you need to search Phil Taylor ...he specializes boards with extra volume for lil heavier guys https://www.facebook.com/PhilTaylorHandcraftedSurf
check the link. here is pics of mine he madeIMAG0677.jpgIMAG0684.jpg