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  1. #201
    Quote Originally Posted by capecodcdog View Post
    MIS, akaPM,

    1. You cannot pick and choose texts from the Bible and ignore the complete historical, social, literary and grammatical contexts, as well of the overall narrative flow. This has been done, with many horrible results, such as cults with tragic ends (ref. Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc). I don't know why you would resort to the same. This holds true for any document. For example, our founding fathers did not say we are entitled to "life, liberty & happiness" as some might interpret. See the difference and folly of leaving out "the pursuit of"? (although some believe that the govt should provide such). You get the idea. So it would be wise to understand the context before pulling out verses that you may not understand or how they are framed and asserting your own meaning. This is dangerous for the Christian and unbeliever alike.
    2. What the Bible reports it does not necessarily endorse. The old testament is "R" rated. Heinous things are going down. Judges is brutal. This is more about the evil that men do and the result of selfish & "bad" decisions and actions.
    3. That treatise about Satan w/ scripture quotes has errors. I needn't shoot down every point, but for one, Satan has requested worship and even asked Christ to worship him. No doubt Satan looks appealing, he's joined this costume party in a devious way, as it is even written that he "masquerades himself as an angel of light"
    4. For the believer, the bottom line is that we see God through Christ, peerless, and on his merits, and thus good. Additionally, the big game changer is Christ's resurrection, without which the believer is the biggest fool in the line up. So that is where the pinnacle question is. We can possibly tout his unique moral teachings, his counter cultural methods, etc., but at the end of the day, one either believes that He died for sin and rose from the dead or he did not.

    Unfortunately there have been many poor representatives, doctrines, and institutions that obfuscate this simple point. And I appreciate the opinions and validity of those who have a problem with some of the things done under the guise of Christianity. Terrible things. And hanna's statement "i know many Christians - literally hundreds of them - and have never met one who even slightly resembled the spirit or manifested the qualities of Jesus as described in biblical literature. not even one. " needs to be taken to heart by anyone who claims to be a believer. But there are also good things that have been done, and I believe the genuine and sincere exists. However, for this pilgrim, the foundation is the reality of the risen Christ. I'm not expecting everyone to buy that, however, that is the focus in the midst of the noise. Hopefully with a focus on Christ the virtues and qualities of Jesus will manifest.

    Now, hopefully well get some off shores with this swell event heading our way.

    Peace & good day, gentlemen.
    CCdog is one solid dude. I'd paddle out with this braddah any day if he'd have me in the lineup. He walks the walk, judges not, and hides under no veil.

    See you at the break this weekend CCdog! Swell for all round here the next two days.

  2. #202

    Hail Satan!

    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    Is Satan Really Such a Bad Guy?

    According to Christianity, Satan is the epitome and embodiment of all evil things, described as "the father of all lies" in the Catholic Church's Catechism (paragraph 391). It is his works that tempt humans into doing bad deeds. If something evil occurs, we can be assured that Satan had something to do with it.

    The History of Satan

    According to Catholicism, Satan only exists because God allows him to (The Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraph 395). This raises some serious issues about how righteous God can be if he allows evil to exist, but I digress. Satan, as the story goes, began as the angel Lucifer, who outrightly rejected God and rebelled against him. God cast Lucifer and those who followed him into Hell, a place of eternal torture and despair, where God was not present.

    Like any good propoganda machine, Christian authorities have made sure to limit the disenimation of information on the enemy (Satan) to what they want the public to know. For example, we are never told why Satan rebelled against God. We're never given his side of the story. Were Satan's reasons for rejecting God and attempting to overthrow him legitimate? From where I'm standing, they could certainly be considered valid if the authorities see fit to hide them from the general public.

    For example, the Catechism of the Catholic Church, the book that outlines Catholic beliefs in detail, has barely half a column in its index devoted to Satan and information on him, where as Jesus Christ has a full 6 pages! Sound like a propoganda machine to you, yet?

    Christian authorities have made some big mistakes with their anti-Satan propoganda machine, however. Since there is so little information available about Satan, there is no record of anything he's done or any way to connect events to him. Christians simply and lazily accredit evil occurences to Satan. A good example are the events of September 11. Within weeks, a doctored picture was floating around the internet showing Satan's face in the clouds of smoke and debris eminating from the two towers, thus unfairly making Satan out to be responsible for these tragedies.

    Satan vs. God

    The only evidence we have to conclude Satan's utter evil is God's word, and frankly, God's word isn't worth too much. He's shown a remarkable inconsistency in his actions and words, and he's hardly above lying or dishonest conduct. Straight after giving Moses the first set of Ten Commandments (which included "Thou shalt not kill"), he let Moses go ahead and order the Levites to go on a mass-murdering rampages, which they did, but only after he talked God out of killing all the people! According to 2 Thessolonians 2:11-12, God will send a strong illusion to people so that they will believe lies, so he can condemn everyone to Hell. After giving Moses the Ten Commandments, God orchestrated a litany of atrocities through isoltated commandments that are simply too great in number to list here. I suggest checking out the The Skeptic's Annotated Bible to see for yourself, specifically this section. These events are detailed in Exodus 32. In 2 Chronicles 18:22, God lies to prophets. Why should anyone take his word at face value if he has no problem with lying to us for no reason other than to have an excuse to condemn us to Hell?

    Who's more evil? God or Satan? How can we determine this? Well, it's a simple matter of looking at the actions of both God and Satan. Who's commited more evil acts? Who's done more harm to humanity? Who's been the most oppressive? Is Satan really as bad as the Christian Smear Campaign makes him out to be? Let's find out...

    God

    •God takes away Adam and Eve's eternal life, thus commiting the first murder, and holds their descendants responsible and visiting Adam and Eve's punishment down on their children. In today's moral standards, the sins of the father die with the father.
    •God destroys all life on Earth in a great flood, except for a drunk (Noah) and his family, for failing to worship him.
    •God's tenth plague upon the Israelites was the unjustified murder of all firstborn sons in Egypt, which undoubtedly included little children.
    •Before sending the plagues to Egypt, God "hardened Pharaoh's heart" so that he wouldn't let the Israelites go, so he could have an excuse to visit horrible plagues upon them, like boils, killing cattle and murdering all firstborn sons. (Exodus 4:21)
    •God orders the Levites to kill their "every man and his neighnor" for worshipping another god. This cost 3000 lives. (Exodus 32:27)
    •God sends a plague to the Israelites, apparently feeling that mass-butchery wasn't enough of a punishment. (Exodus 32:35)
    •God kills Onan for refusing to impregnate his late brother's (whom God also slew) wife and instead "spilling his seed on the ground." (Genesis 38:8-10)
    •God kills the entire populations of Soddom and Gammorah (again, including women, children and infants) for practicing certain sexual techniques.
    •God gives all Philistines hemorrhoids in their pubic areas. (1 Samuel 5:9)
    •God kills over 50,000 people for looking at an ark. (1 Samuel 6:19)
    •God kills 70,000 people because King David decided to have a census. (1 Chronicles 21:7-14)
    •God approves of slavery, and instructs owners to beat their slaves. (Proverbs 29:19)
    •And, finally, God makes sure that if you are guilty of even the smallest transgression, you shall suffer endlessly for all eternity, following a dramatic homecoming for Jesus, who will be extremely pissed off at everyone for putting him to death, even though it was just the Romans and even though he knew what was going to happen beforehand, and he could have easily avoided it by using his power as God to perform a miracle and prove who he was. (See the entire book of Revelation)


    Satan

    •Satan, like Prometheus, gave knowledge to humanity by giving Eve the fruit from the forbidden tree. Because of Satan, humanity gained knowledge of good and evil, according to Genesis. Since we couldn't have possessed knowledge of good and evil before eating the fruit, Adam and Eve couldn't have known that eating the fruit was evil, so it seems a little harsh to punish them as severely as God did. Satan gave humans true capacity for moral judgment, unlike God, who simply expected everyone to mindlessly obey his orders.
    •There is no biblical record of Satan engaging in the murder of torture of any human being, unlike God, who is guilty (and proudly guilty) of commiting genocide.
    •There is no biblical record of Satan ever ordering someone to kill someone else, unlike God, who has repeatedly demanded the deaths of those who commit even the smallest of offenses.
    •Satan will not be holding a massively dramatic ceremony full of blood and death for the return of his son to Earth. God apparently will.

    It doesn't take a mathematician to add up and compare God and Satan's respective body counts. God has, after all, killed billions of people in a great flood. Satan never did anything like that. What was the only thing Satan did "wrong"? He rebelled against God, but wouldn't you? Look at what kind of a God he is! He needlessly murders people in nearly every book and passage of the Old Testament! He created an entire race of people for the sole purpose of catoring to his own ego, and then gets mad when we don't live up to our appointed role in life or question one of his decisions! He is a ruthless, dictatorial, narcissistic, sociopathic mass murderer. If I go to Hell for not worshipping him, so much the better. I'd rather spend eternity with Satan, someone who hasn't treated the human race like disposable garbage, someone who has given knowledge to humanity rather than trying to suppress it.

    It's time to stop this needless slandering of Satan's name. Satan has done nothing to deserve it. He hasn't killed anyone, publicly exonerated slavery, demanded our worship or threatened us with eternal damnation for not doing his bidding. It is God who is guilty of all these crimes. Satan's done nothing but rebel against a repugnantly unjust authority figure, and he gets eternal damnation and association and blame for all evil on Earth! Meanwhile, Martin Luther King, Jr. gets a holiday named after him, and Satan was far more courageous that King was. After all, Satan stood up to an all powerful narcissist who made it clear that he never would change his mind on any issue. King at least had a democracy to work with. The Christian Smear Campaign toward Satan is completely unwarranted. Maybe, before criticizing Satan, they should look at the God they worship. Is Satan really a bad guy? Certainly not in comparison to God. In fact, I'd much rather have Satan running things. He just can't be worse than God.

    And don't forget Satan has a MUCH better soundtrack! I mean seriously, I prefer the sound of cat strangulation over what they call "christian' music.

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    So this is my conclusion. The article offended some of you. Others were not sure. Some of you thought it was cool. You guys really need to lighten up and accept reality. Without Jesus you would not be here. God created us, the ocean, the sun, the waves, etc,etc,etc. Just read Genesis. I would copy and paste, but I can see the majority of you can already do that. I just learned that 3 days ago from my wife. As for surfing, OK I will copy and paste!

    Matthew 8:27

    New International Version (NIV)

    27 The men were amazed and asked, “What kind of man is this? Even the winds and the waves obey him!”



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  4. #204
    Wayne, Earth was here millions upon millions of years before Jesus...think about it rationally and you will realize that what your saying is a fairy tale. I am catholic and I'm not stupid enough to believe that bull****. Wake up, dude

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koki Barrels View Post
    Wayne, Earth was here millions upon millions of years before Jesus...think about it rationally and you will realize that what your saying is a fairy tale. I am catholic and I'm not stupid enough to believe that bull****. Wake up, dude
    Yep. Christianity needs to evolve, just like we have. The bible Wayne is quoting is a single translation of man written texts. Believing the earth is only a few thousand years old is just as silly as believing the earth is flat.

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    Just thought I would bump this up to remind you guys what a great your 2013 was on SI....Look forward to spending 2014 doing much of the same.

    #ImpactingthecoastforJESUS

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    never mind. never mind.
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    I thought we had to wait till easter for this thread to rise from the dead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarter View Post
    I thought we had to wait till easter for this thread to rise from the dead?
    no that is going to be the free surfboard thread...thank you for reminding me

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    Quote Originally Posted by rcarter View Post
    I thought we had to wait till easter for this thread to rise from the dead?
    Future "Best Post of 2014" nominee.