There are always idiots in every group. Most hunters are pretty zealous about safety and conservation.
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Thread: Yukon Men "wolf invasion"
Nov 19, 2013, 05:54 PM #111
Nov 19, 2013, 05:55 PM #112
Then stay out of it shark-hunter.
Nov 19, 2013, 05:58 PM #113Junior Member
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Im stoked on all the good science being posted, it is hard to have a good conversation, just have to filter through all the opinions and there are some good facts. We all were born here, we all own Earth, and we want the natural system to be productive. It is in our best interest to protect the naturally occurring dangerous animals, the flora, the insects, the birds. They all play their part. God Bless America and the Founding Fathers.
Nov 19, 2013, 06:04 PM #114
Nov 19, 2013, 06:14 PM #115Banned
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Nov 24, 2013, 11:06 PM #116
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Watching this episode of Yukon Men, I saw a wolf that was posing no immediate threat, shot from a couple hundred yards away. It was doing it's own thing on the edge of a frozen lake and certainly not stalking human prey. I saw one other wolf frozen and chained to a tree with traps on its ankles. Again the wolf was doing his own thing and tried to eat a piece of meat in the branches and wasn't stalking human prey. Prior to this a group of men organized to go on a wolf murdering mission because they found tracks in the area and had an upcoming local sled dog race.
The sled dogs spend their lives tied to a wooden box outside (in the frozen Yukon) or pulling a sled, while being dragged around by the scruff of their necks between the two. One of the sled dogs had a seizure while the dog team was pulling. It got dragged for a bit while having said seizure. The driver unhooked the dog, (still having a seizure) dragged it by the scruff of it's neck, stuffed it into a bag on the sled, and continued racing. You know, the good life, "happier than your average spoiled dog".
Side note: my 10 year old dog who is undoubtedly my best friend, had a seizure 7 days prior to watching this show. It never happened before, I didn't know what was happening or what to do. I was scared sh*tless holding my first mate in my arms then on the floor while she/we went though it. 5:00 am Sunday morning to boot (at least I was home). Since I didn't know what was happening at the time I thought I might lose her right then. So lame, a traumatic experience for all to say the least.
The mentality exhibited on this show plays a critical role in our planets current dilapidated condition. Conservation and protection of air, water, nature (including every living thing), and natural processes is of utmost planetary importance.
It's shameful that some people need a scientific study to determine whether another living things life is worth living. Who are we to be so judgmental? Humans have effectively downgraded or eliminated the homes and environments of most animals on the planet, in turn affecting our own quality of life. Everything is connected via a complex web of evolutionary happenings. All living things are critical links in a closed chain (it goes in a circle and recycles itself) that have perpetuated our existence. Breaking a link in this chain would be detrimental to continued human existence in general. Breaking many links in the chain will inevitably put humans on the endangered species list and ultimately lead to our own extinction.
We need to care for and respect all animals, even the ones we're uncomfortable with, trees (for hugging), plants, lakes, rivers, oceans, in order to continue our own happy healthy human existence. It's common sense but society is brainwashed about many things, that being one of them.
Dangerous animals should be dealt with accordingly not ignorantly i.e. If you or some one else is about to square off with snarly or rabid wild animal, by all means do what you have to do. If you live in an area where a known potentially dangerous animal also resides you learn to coexist and be prepared for any potential confrontation or leave the area. Wastefully targeting an animal because of its potential danger is useless and just putting another screw in the f*ck the world coffin. If your going to sled dog race in Alaska you should bring a gun in case of the rare wildlife/human altercation. Fearing the local wildlife doesn't give you the right to go on some ye haw hick critter killin spree. Wastefully killing animals because they're competing for the same food source as you is ridiculous as well. Trying to eat the same thing as another being doesn't validate killing the competition in my opinion. Especially considering humans are the cause of lacking resources not innocent animals like coyotes. If I found a dangerous wild animal in my yard or the vicinity I would try to safely take a photo of it not shoot it. If it seemed in any way threatening I would posture back with loud noise, big stance, pots and pans to scare it out of my zone. If that didn't deter the animal enough I would shoot next to it. If it was surely rabid, night night. If you have kids, educate them. If your kids are small watch them. Use your head and teach your children to use theirs. You wouldn't give your kids the car keys, send them out on the much more deadly highway without guidance, blame the experienced drivers for the accident, and shoot them dead because they're a danger to you and your child's ignorance, right?
I wouldn't kill unless I or someone else is in immediate danger. Guns, weapons, and other technology come with great responsibility for they give us an unfair advantage in the animal kingdom. This unfair advantage created a tremendous imbalance of animal resources because humans lacked the responsibility that came with said advantages and we still do.
Humans typically view the world within hundred year time lines and what happened in the past and what happens in the future doesn't really have anything to do with right here, right now. Realistically we live on time lines that extend trillions of years in either direction. Treating this planet and all of its inhabitants, plant life and landscape included, with anything less than the highest level of respect and conservation is ungrateful, selfish, foolish, ignorant, careless, insane, genocidal and so on. It took a lot of cosmic ingredients over a ridiculous amount of time to make the one in a billion trillion miracle planet earth survivable for human beings and we sh*t all over it like it's a disposable diaper. Absurd. We'll just find another planet for our great great great grand kids to live on once we finish destroying this one? Absurd. This planet is ultimately going to succumb to some form of cosmic destruction (could be tonight or 2 billion years)? True. Having a who gives a sh*t, f*ck the world, it's all about me attitude is what got us here, and a p.o.s. cop out. Thanks for that .
Hypothetically speaking imagine these two scenarios:
Your watching Big Cat Diary and a leopard family is doing its thing while the biologists commentate from their closely parked open vehicle. Suddenly while watching them eat, one of the biologists has this incredibly genius revelation that leopards are potentially dangerous to humans. They all pull out rifles and murder every leopard in sight.
J-Bay is about to start and a bunch of shunt types go out and attempt to cull the local shark population to accommodate a yearly surf competition.
We are so technologically advanced yet we simultaneously behave in the most sophomoric of ways. We know too much to not take full responsibility and give our best to make good on what we've ruined out of respect for the gift of life (all of it). Anything less is simply a cut your nose to spite your face scenario. Humans are the most dangerous and destructive animals out there and we're the ones that need population control considering the damage we've done to everything else. (That's not a murder threat you shark fin soup providing, poor reading comprehension having shunt). We owe it to ourselves, our past selves, our future selves, and all other living things to extremely change how we roll. We are the f*ck ups and we have the technology and brain power to not be such a failure, yet we continue down an outdated foolish path. We have the gift of conscience with some understanding of necessary balance and need to employ this special gift much more effectively.
I care about all living things and their environments including dangerous animals and misguided hick mentality having humans (present and future). I'm always looking to improve my way of being and try to have an open yet logical mind. I seek positivity and fairness for living things including humans d*ck weed. Eat or be eaten is part of what's fair. I release most of the fish I catch and feel bad cutting their gills when I keep them but not guilty at all for eating them. I still respect the fish. I also respect the fact that I'm not number 1 when I'm bobbing on my surfboard. I'm confident that my appreciation for life doesn't make me insane or a bad person and shark hunting types are undoubtedly much closer to that mark. Are my ideals unrealistic? If the shark finning, money first, questions later mentality continues, my ideals are indeed unrealistic.
Thank you seldom and the others who defended this bs fire while I was scrambling at work. I didn't expect so much ignorance.
I'm off to the zoo now. I want to try making out with a lion and fingering a bull shark after sharing a hoagie with them.
Last edited by Doug; Nov 25, 2013 at 09:07 AM.
Nov 25, 2013, 12:19 PM #117
Right on Doug. You hit the nail on the head with every point you hit right there.
it smells like burnt skin in here from all the circular tugging
Nov 25, 2013, 09:07 PM #119Banned
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