It was probably a natural extinction. Either way we don't even know for sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pleistocene_megafauna
Why would you want to bring back extremely dangerous predators that most likely went extinct naturally? We can't bring them back anyway. Jurassic park is a science fiction.
THAT Being said, bringing african lions to the americas has nothing to do with prehistoric megafauna. That's like bringing in komodo dragons to the americas since dinosaurs used to roam. Like I said, the dumbest **** I've ever heard.
Also, where are we getting the giant beavers that once roamed?(no I'm not talking about your mom)
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Thread: Yukon Men "wolf invasion"
Nov 18, 2013, 10:34 PM #91Banned
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Nov 18, 2013, 10:53 PM #92
This thread is starting to rival the 'Hello!' thread for longevity.
Read every post. There's some consistently intelligent stuff being posited, primarily from Seldom Seen. There's some other good points randomly made by a couple of others. And, naturally, the garbled versions of Loony Toons by, well, you know who you are. Round up the usual suspects.
And now that I've said that, my merry band of wacky SI Forum trolls ought to be along at any moment now.
Nov 18, 2013, 10:58 PM #93Senior Member
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Nov 18, 2013, 11:57 PM #94
I know very well cougars aren't extinct, and you say the megafauna extinction was 'prob natural extinction' is not 100%. best data seems to show it was an anthropogenic act, or at least anthropogenic stress aided in the extinction. Even your links says as much.
and this relates to that post in that since it is likely that humans did cause that die off, to bring a species of large cat back to the ecosystem isnt pure folly, from a technical ecological standpoint, so long as other 'system parts' are brought back too. To recreate the continent's ecosystem from 10K years ago is impossible. Agreed, however if you were going to try, you'd need big cats, from somewhere.
it is folly in that this system would require a lot of housekeeping off the bat until it was sustaining, and even then it would need to be managed with lots of population data and keeping humans out of certain areas. doesnt seem feasible, but to say its hogwash is wrong
and sorry about the mom jokes, I just cant help myself. its my way.
Nov 19, 2013, 12:18 AM #95Banned
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Nov 19, 2013, 03:28 AM #96
I am all too familiar with what invasive nonnatives do to a system not ready for them
do you know what an ecological equivalent is?
why would you compare habitats that aren't comparable?
the savannah is comparable to the prairie or other grasslands in flyover country but you compare it to the jungle and NYC, that makes no sense. Big cats (bigger than puma-panther-mtn lions)roamed these American grasslands as little as 10K years ago
I guess you missed the point of the link and why people are discussing this. Unless you have an inside track and are a population biologist or ecologist, I think you missed the point, but keep spouting off like you know.
I guess my argument is this and then I will stfu, the 'ecosystem' that was in place is still partially there and some managing could see it become much different than we see it. Big cats adapting to hunting in vast grasslands (which comprise most of middle America) are a part of it. end trans
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Nov 19, 2013, 12:25 PM #97
I found a 9" long turd in the woods once, thick as a hot dog, full of deer fur. Never saw coyote scat of that size, and a random cougar was hit in the highway in CT a little over a year ago, makes me wonder.
The History/Discovey/NatGeo channels- (tin foil hat time) A while ago when I still had cable and watched tv, there were some great shows on these channels...how the earth was made, the universe, can't recall anymore by name, but great shows on natural history(for lack of a better all encompassing term). Shows that conveyed the ancient-ness and awesomeness of this planet we live on. Well, I was migrating w/ my pack last night, taking in the moon, and contemplating the regression of these channels, which for the most part, now are pure garbage w/ the occassional decent show(from what i can gather from my intermittent voyages into the great big festering neon distraction)...swamp loggers, this loggers, that loggers, yukon women, pawn stars(?????), buying alaska, etc, etc...which now portay the natural world as merely something to exploit and to be feared(pretty puritanical)...are they preparing the populace for the final assault on the natural world??? I know, I'm delusional, but remember, nature bats last.
Nov 19, 2013, 12:45 PM #98
Thought I'd share this update
So, as you might have guessed, I've been debating with the wolf hunters on one of their fb pages, the Sportmen Against Wolves page. Nothing hostile, just factual debate. Apparently there must be some validity to what I'm saying, b/c i just checked it, and come to find out, they deleted all my comments and blocked me from the page(for the record the admin and I had a civil discourse and i was invited to voice the oppostion, he actually seemed refreshed that it wasn't just a flame fest). I guess in all reality he just can't handle the facts...the guy even agreed that many of the page participants were morons..
I called him out on using a source from the Earth First journal(regarding a wolf in Ky), and i simply noted that if the same source was used against their stance, they'd write it off b/c it was EF...
Nov 19, 2013, 12:53 PM #99
wolf hunting and shooting one roaming in in your yard are two different things.
Nov 19, 2013, 01:02 PM #100