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    The justifications for delisting are either based on bullsh!t reporting of aggression(see the story of the kid that got 'chased in NM), ranching money in political lobbys(wolve's #1 enemy from day one), or other nonsensical reasons(ie/ppl saying wolve's threaten #'s of elk and moose populations-a ludicrous idea, but one that has money backing it from org's like the NRA). Or there's Michigan, where the reason to re-open the hunt was based on fallacious testimony(admittedly after the fact), and the opposition was basically ignored. To compound the issue it's become politicized and a lot of theses idiots are taking out their frustrations toward the fed. on wolves.

    Actual scientific research overwhelmingly supports the notion that wolves are a necessary component of these ecosystems, they help maintain healthy pops of elk, moose, etc...and that the situation is still too sensitive to allow a hunting equivalent of the spainish inquisition to begin.

    *and pump, a fox???? I'll just bang a cpl pots and pans together and scare it away.

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    Chavez while I personally wouldn't shoot a coyote, their numbers are stable everywhere. And I'd much rather buy venison from local hunters then sh!tty meat at the store. The wolf situation is far different in my opinion...it took years to get their numbers up after the point of virtual extirpation, and if the people out west had their way, they'd bring us back to that point within the span of a couple years. Alot of this taking place on public lands, which in theory belong to all of us, but in reality belong to the f**ks that have turned much of it into grazing land for introduced domestic species.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slashdog View Post
    Sharkf*cker... did you have a petless childhood, or are you just one of those serial killer types? Dogs, as any good owner will tell you, are smart. They have recently been proven to possess intelligence similar to a very young child.

    http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/10/06...eople-too.html

    As science progresses in our backwoods nation, we will likely find the same for other creatures, making us question how all of them are bred in captivity for human slaughter...

    You do make a valid point about the pig. Pigs are relatively intelligent animals, albeit lacking the social-political intelligence of dogs, dolphins, and apes. My bacon deserves a dignified and rapid extermination.



    Sharkf*cker.... There are less than a handful of confirmed human fatalities due to Wolf attacks in recorded history. Wolf attacks are about as common as Orca attacks. Are you suggesting we exterminate the Whales, you sick Whale-hater?
    Pigs are smarter than dogs. Dogs are nowhere near as smart as apes. It's not even close. Give me a break. I'm not for dog meat. lmao I'm just making the point about the hypocrisy. Oh and pigs can make good pets too. So no I did not have a petless childhood.

  4. #24
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    These clowns thought is was ok to kill some local wolves to make a yearly sled dog race "safe". Not to mention they treat their sled dogs like sh*t too. If you live or play in the Yukon maybe you'll have to share the land with the local wild life and perhaps even see a wolf once in a while? Idk, I'm not there.
    As surfers, we share the water with large predatory animals, coming to terms with their presence, we realize we're not the boss of everything and react with respect.
    Organizing a murder militia against these majestic animals is cowardly and ignorant.
    Hey Yukon girls, how would you like freezing to death, with broken ankles while chained to a tree with the traps that broke them? Come for a visit to NJ please, I have something for you p*ssy holes.
    I don't like taking sides, but, apex predators are important ecologically, as much as we people don't like to believe in ecology and believe "everything is going to be okay." Human populations are pretty much colossal right now and we do have the ability to influence the landscape and make species go EXTINCT. Look up the North American Cheetah, North American Lion, East Coast Mountain Lion, Red Wolf, Tazmanian Tiger, Direwolf, Saber-tooth cat. All large predatory animals, all thought to leave the Earth forever by human hands.....CoExist

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    Quote Originally Posted by seldom seen View Post

    I have no beef w/ hunting in an ethical manner, you eat what you kill.
    So if they eat the wolves/coyote....it's all good? Just be honest....you love canines more than other animals due to your personal relationship with your dog. Maybe if you had a personal pet relationship with a deer, pygmy goat, or a pig you would feel differently and become a vegetarian.

    I have a problem with killing any animal(other than fish or insects) unless it's self defense/public safety. It's my personal belief. I don't push it on other people. I'm simply giving my opinion. Many deer hunters are in it for the kill and enjoy killing a defenseless sweet woodland creature. Hell game wardens arrest stupid rednecks for thrill killing deer out of the back of their pickup truck all the time. It's not simply a matter of getting food. They enjoy the hunt/kill. So all of this outrage over a wolf hunt seems absurd and hypocritical.
    Last edited by shark-hunter; Nov 18, 2013 at 01:58 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjb1606 View Post
    I don't like taking sides, but, apex predators are important ecologically, as much as we people don't like to believe in ecology and believe "everything is going to be okay." Human populations are pretty much colossal right now and we do have the ability to influence the landscape and make species go EXTINCT. Look up the North American Cheetah, North American Lion, East Coast Mountain Lion, Red Wolf, Tazmanian Tiger, Direwolf, Saber-tooth cat. All large predatory animals, all thought to leave the Earth forever by human hands.....CoExist
    If you want to make sure a species doesn't go extinct it's all about bag limits. That's not really a valid ethical argument.

  7. Wolves are endangered in much of the lower 48 due to the hunts. They are unable to spread out and hunt migration routes based on the millions of miles of barbed wire fencing running across much of the federal land out here. So they congregate, and kill everything... wolves are like dogs, often killing 5 times more than they will ever use. Hunts happen, species are wiped out.

    up in the Yukon they dont have much of an issue with barbed wire, however population of humans in remote areas are on the rise. So naturally they are at danger. Yes the wolf has been hunted for all of man kind, the local people in these affected areas try to only kill alpha males to disperse the rest of the wolf pack. They do a show (which i saw yesterday as well) and exploit it as if the wolves are hunting the people, and the people are killing everything. It's interesting to say the least, and while I had the same response initially as the OP, I am learning to let go of what I see on the news and on TV.

    Always portrayed as worse.. the only way to experience anything is the live it for real.

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    I stick to the eastern philosophy that all life is, in the end, futile. You see, the earth is going to dry up like an old lady one day and then everything still living here is going to dry up too.

    I would say we are the planets only hope to spread our DNA into the universe. And let's be real, if we want to genetically engineer wolves to populate and harass our new planet when we find one, we could surely do that.

    Even leaving this planet is futile. Eventually the atoms will all move so far apart that they stop moving, the universe will reach 0K and that's a wrap.

    So don't take everything so seriously, in the end it's a bunch of thoughts in your brain which has a limited shelf life.

    Life is futile and pointless, and what that means for all of us sentient aware beings made up of matter which is endlessly conserved but always changing to more stable forms as the energy from the big bang is dissipated... is this: enjoy your trip and don't do things you don't enjoy.

    That's where western philosophy (judaeo-christian biblicism bs) get's it wrong. Jesus wants you to suffer so that you can enjoy some after life that almost surely can't exist in any way imaginable by a human being. Buddha wants you to enjoy this life brother cuz it's all you'll ever have.

    So I say kill the wolves as I don't expect they are going to figure out how to travel at light speed through worm holes, and they'll be gone in a billion years anyway just like the rest of the sorry ass eat/defecate/die animals on this planet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shark-hunter View Post
    So if they eat the wolves/coyote....it's all good? Just be honest....you love canines more than other animals due to your personal relationship with your dog. Maybe if you had a personal pet relationship with a deer, pygmy goat, or a pig you would feel differently and become a vegetarian.

    I have a problem with killing any animal(other than fish or insects) unless it's self defense/public safety.
    No, we're a species with a 90,000 year long carnivorous tradition. How can one ever expect every member of that species to diverge from that. We're meat eaters and hunting is what makes us human. Do I like dogs more than humans? You bet your ass, but the same could be said about many other species. I have a problem with waste, and I also have a problem with the Judeo-Christian inspired notion of anthropocentrism. I've always been passionate about this issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seldom seen View Post
    No, we're a species with a 90,000 year long carnivorous tradition. How can one ever expect every member of that species to diverge from that. We're meat eaters and hunting is what makes us human. Do I like dogs more than humans? You bet your ass, but the same could be said about many other species. I have a problem with waste, and I also have a problem with the Judeo-Christian inspired notion of anthropocentrism. I've always been passionate about this issue.

    I would say, go up there and live for awhile and see if your mind changes.