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  1. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by ChavezYChavez View Post
    Do you people honestly think that the site information IHL posted is going to make those breaks get crowded?? At this time of year? Do you really think the people reading these threads are going to stop what they are doing and head up to MonCo at the next swell? I'm in SNJ and the furthest North I go is to Wooden Jetty. The REAL crowds as we know don't come till Summer. How many Summer guys will bookmark this thread in January. One? Two? he only posted what everyone on here could find online if they INTEND on surfing up there for the first time anyway.
    yea this is my goal basically. open it up and let people know that there are good spots out there.

  2. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by salt View Post
    Shredder Buds. All best friends. All ride the same looking board. Straight-up loc'd out shredder BUDS! YEWWW! I used to surf there every once in a while. Now I don't even bother.
    dude, the worstttttt. they're all pretty mediocre surfers/body boarders as well.

  3. #73
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    the jenks crew is the worst by far and I don't know why it's fun even for them but it also can be like the inside bowl 8 foot sunset or total dangerous crap and everything in between.it is a heavy wave, so you can't be snaking, so I guess they think the attitude is necessary.maybe it is for them.there's also only so many waves per person on the inlet peak, the first jetty or even queen, but that doesn't make the experience enjoyable for many of us non-locals. it could be worse. we have nothing to complain about really compared to Hawaii,pr,cal and Australia.

  4. #74
    jenks is a solid and heavy wave. it can get world class and gnarly but at the same time, it's not pipe or something. the "jenks crew" treats that place like it's some sort of valhalla that no one else can handle which is such a joke.

  5. #75
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChavezYChavez View Post
    Do you people honestly think that the site information IHL posted is going to make those breaks get crowded?? At this time of year? .
    Nope, crowds were ther before this post, and will be there after this post.

  6. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Irish View Post
    Nope, crowds were ther before this post, and will be there after this post.
    yea this is the sentiment i'm trying to convey. if your spot was crowded before it's going to be crowded tomorrow.

  7. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by zaGaffer View Post
    I thought this was a joke thread at first.



    I think that there's a difference between giving advice or guiding the uninitiated on a personal level and posting detailed break information on the internet, don't you?



    2,175. That's how many people have viewed this thread since it was posted. I didn’t know almost any of these spots, nor have a reason to I’m not planning a trip out East anytime in the near future; I’m not your target audience, but they are out there. I do know a lot about how information is consumed though.

    You've surfed for 30 years, I imagine based on my own experience that it’s pretty important to you. It is to me. I don’t think of it as a sport or a hobby, I think of it more as a practice or a craft. I’m a craftsman, I make things for a living and people let me know that the stuff I make is pretty good by giving me money to make more of it. And what I’ve learned is that to do anything of quality requires discipline, perseverance, hard work, lots of time, constant learning, practice and repetition. To do anything well is a big pain in the arse. We do the current crop of surfers a disservice by giving them the easy road. Surfing isn’t easy, it never gets easy, you just get better at it until your body starts breaking down and you start getting worse again. Posts like this let people just bypass a large part of what is a fundamental surfing skill, forecasting and finding waves. It’s right up there with duck diving or a solid bottom turn. The ocean belongs to everyone sure, but that means that everyone needs to be a steward to it. When people put it in work to find a spot, get to know it, become a local; they start to care about it. They take care of it, pick up trash and maintain trails, they watch out more for the other regulars, they’re cautious around new comers and generally helpful, they regulate dangerous kooks; I see all of these behaviors amongst the regulars at the spots that I’m barely counted as a local at (I will always be a transplant despite the fact that I’ve lived here on and off since the 80’s and married a girl from IB). I’ve never seen someone I didn’t recognize pick up a piece of garbage. Localism has become an ugly word with negative connotations, but locals put in work and it’s hard to care about something that you don’t work for. Locals are deserving of respect, because you respect another person’s home when you are guest. That’s what I was taught, that’s what I teach my daughter and nephew. I was taught that pulling up to a break with a crowd wasn’t cool. Blowing up a break on the internet is the digital equivalent of pulling up with a crowd. These days there are so many things that make surfing so much easier than it was even a decade ago, let alone 30 years when we started. Everything from wetsuits that actually keep you warm and you can move in, to boards that practically won’t break. I like the internet and the free flow of information and take full advantage of it; but I often think that surfing hasn’t benefited from it. I don’t think the breaks you’ve posted will.

    I’m rambling, wtf do I know. Here's some California gold, don't ax me where.

    needed a tl;dr but i get the gist.

    giving location information on a spot is pretty vague at best. i'm telling you where to look but i'm not pushing them into the wave.

    say some 14 year old read this thread and is like "**** i'm gonna have mom drive me to jenks next time there is waves" and he goes, shows up, gets his ass handed to him by a couple of wedges and goes home. he's not ruining the spot and if anything he's gaining experience. i'm just pointing you in a direction i'm not breaking it down.

    i have been in the water for over 30 years and I want to spread the knowledge i've gained from both people telling me to my own experience in the water.

    the fundamental issue is why is telling people information a bad thing? it's 2014, making surfing open source.

  8. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by ihatelongboarders View Post
    ...the fundamental issue is why is telling people information a bad thing? it's 2014, making surfing open source.
    I think our pal wayne the insane has the same feelings about "information." In his eyes, he's just sharing what he's discovered/learned over the years.

  9. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by goosemagoo View Post
    I think our pal wayne the insane has the same feelings about "information." In his eyes, he's just sharing what he's discovered/learned over the years.
    please don't compare this to some fundie bible thumper trying to convert. i'm spreading facts that dude is spreading stories.

  10. #80
    Delivery is everything bud. "Spreading knowledge" is one thing, but the way you went about is completely over the top, obnoxious, and it's almost like you're backpedaling to zaGaffers response above. "Spreading knowledge is talking to people in the water or even going as far as commenting on this forum to someone who said they surfed a particular break Sunday and you scored 1 jetty north of them. It surprises me that you've been surfing for 30 years and don't get it. I've shared knowledge with people before as well but not publicly on the internet. You're right that these places aren't "secret" by any means but advertising their whereabouts is just plain wrong......and for being in the water for 30 years you should know that. Bad juju buddy. Bad juju.