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Jan 23, 2014, 05:18 PM #111
In Noah's case, it says "But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord." (Gen 6:8). And thus he got busy, putting his trust in God's goodness, & built an ark, the means of His deliverance from the impending judgement.
Likewise, in the NT, for those that "find God's favor" or "realize God's grace", appropriate the good will of God that he demonstrated in JC by a response of gratitude and living in a manner that reflects such grace, love, and good will.
So God has not changed, it is that He has progressively revealed His redemption plan of grace.
That is all for now.
Last edited by capecodcdog; Jan 23, 2014 at 05:40 PM.
Jan 23, 2014, 05:39 PM #114
Jan 23, 2014, 05:49 PM #115
ID is a belief. It does not require scientific fact and does not have to follow and laws. Macro/micro evolution are theories. They must follow specific laws and be backed by scientific facts. ID has no backing in the scientific community because there are no facts or laws to prove the existence of a creator. There is more data to prove otherwise, but that doesn't matter to creationists. After all, creationists don't understand what a scientific theory really is. A prime example, is the term creation science that tends to be thrown around a lot in the USA.
All that said, I am not an atheist. I am agnostic. I don't have enough data to say that there is no higher power. I do have enough data to conclude that evolution can and has happened on many levels on this planet, and it is responsible for what we know as the human race. The question you should be asking, which wouldn't require you to abandon all faith, is whether the mechanisms and laws in place to cause evolution were actually put there by a supreme being. That is up for more negotiation than the simple existence of evolution and the origins of human life.
Last edited by brewengineer; Jan 23, 2014 at 06:16 PM.
If you read the book, which was the context of WBF's riddle, the implementation details of God's redemption plan are progressively "rolled out" in history. At least that is the way I see it after several "cover to cover" readings. The issue is not whether you believe it (the Bible) or not, I am simply reporting what it says.
Jan 23, 2014, 05:57 PM #117
Im not trying to remove caca from SI, if I did, SI would disappear. I think you are above that caca, but maybe not. It is possible to be a moral righteous being without believing stone-age goat herder myths, and ignoring sci evidence is rather silly, especially for one trained in the methods.
Sci doesnt have all the answers, but as far as measuring and observing physical phenomena, it has more than any other human endeavor
tell me ccdog, how old is the earth?
This could go on and on, I recognize the "issues" on both sides of the arguments. I am much more critical of the "evidence" than you may be giving me credit, and I have not drawn the the same conclusions as to the cause (and therefore possibly purpose) of our existence.
I know radiometrics / mass spectrometry currently has it at (i.e. 4.5B +/- 50Million), but there are assumptions even with these scientific measurement techniques. Whose to say a new number won't come out? Science always retains the right to revise things.
Not sure about the relevance.
And, "is possible to be a moral righteous being?". Depends on what the standard is. Our own evaluation says "yes", but the last person we were a jerk to says, "no."
Jan 23, 2014, 06:32 PM #120