Extremely flat, extremely wide boards... especially in the tail... with fins all the way back and out on the rail become very stiff when you start to add length, when compared to what you're used to riding. That's how you can go really short... it's what keeps them loose. This theory applies to all short, flat, wide designs, including retro fish. The deep swallow gives some relief on the fish, but reduced planing area and short rail line is the basic, foundation concept behind these kinds of boards.
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Mar 8, 2014, 03:58 PM #21
I had a session on a 5-8 in nice 2ft @ 12 groundswell today. The mini caught waves almost like my 6-6 fish/shortboard hybrid. I'm thinking a 6-0 might be my go to size. Would still like an easier paddling board since I am a pretty big guy. Stoked on how it surfed. The speed blew me away! I'm shocked a board that small worked at all for me. Heading to the shaper soon. I'll update the thread when it's done.
Thanks for the contributions and sick board pics.
Mar 9, 2014, 11:18 PM #23
- Join Date
- Jan 2009
- milton delaware
Boards that are 5.5 feet long, 18 inch noses, 22 inches wide, flat rockered with a 16" squared-off tail are at an extreme end of the board spectrum and surf like it. They catch anything resembling a wave, they fly down the line at the slightest hint of a walled up wave no matter how small, and they turn with a lot less control and precision, and with a wider radius than most other boards. They are a handful on a steep drop and in a wave with a critical pocket, which is exactly when you wont be riding one anyways. They also are a pain in choppy waves.
My verdict is I love them all summer long when we get day after day of knee-stomach high wind swell and calm glassy mornings. They eat that stuff up!
Fin setup - I had one with keel fins, and the second two are quads. I prefer the quads because I feel like the quad setup mitigates some of the poor turning qualities inherent in this shape of a board, while the keels sort of contribute to these boards tendency to not want to come around quickly in a turn.
I know a lot of people would just stay home or ride a longboard in tiny waves like this, but for me personally mini simmons make waves this fun when other boards don't, and we get a LOT of days like this in the summer:
Last edited by mitchell; Mar 10, 2014 at 12:33 AM.
Mar 9, 2014, 11:26 PM #24
Mar 10, 2014, 10:38 AM #25
Sick! All the feedback is really encouraging. I know some of the posters above suggested that I just get a fish, already have one and I love it just looking to try something new.
Mar 10, 2014, 09:14 PM #27
I know you..surf with you...time to get rid of that grande pesce
A mystic mini sim from jim dunlop is the right move..
I have a new one on the table as we speak
Any doubting thomases..check the footage from the above link of Richard kenvin
Mar 24, 2014, 05:48 PM #30Senior Member
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- Sep 2010
- Cackalacka border beaches
You pull the tail and then they lose the effect. Start making them "performancey" by pointing the keels at the center of the nose putting curve in the outline then they don't have the unbridled skim they should. Then it is more of a hybrid simmons, won't go as good in the softies. If you are a young and light shortboard shredder get a 4'10" X 21" + maybe but keep the tail block 13-14" wide. About as wide as where your backfoot is on a performance board actually. And make sure it only has .5" or less of tail rocker. Fin position should be about 3" from tail tip because that will be where you will stand and where the highest water pressure is. That is what the simmons thing is about, as much planing surface as you can cram under your feet then stop, all lines straight as possible. Hard to do with a US blank not glued minus rocker like Dunlop might use. Either way it will be better than a fish. Don't wanna be a spell check nazi but I think it is spelled queue though could be wrong. Could be helpful texting british girls or something like that.