Humans are animals, and on the food chain we need animals to survive, not just in food form. The killing of animals that pose a threat is a typical behavior of some species; however, wiping out an entire species as a safety net isn't inhumane, its outright stupid. Any forced disruption to a naturally occurring food chain causes hysteria amongst the entire animal and natural kingdom (over population of herbivores, killing off plant species, deforestation, contaminated water, etc.) The earth provides perfect balance, it also happens to provide fear instilled in all species... and only "the strong survive"... but in the end the strong kill themselves.
That said Shark-Hunter, as a human you are entitled to your opinion and as a part of the food chain you could educate yourself on the effects of sport/safety killing. Unfortunately humans, on average, are scared of everything outside the walls of their house. From allergies to Armageddon, the only thing to fear is fear itself.
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Apr 17, 2014, 03:12 AM #161
Apr 17, 2014, 10:54 AM #162Senior Member
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Apr 17, 2014, 12:25 PM #163
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Holy sh!t, am I going to be okay after watching 9 minutes of that? What's that squiggly thing stage left? I get the assimilation of that guy confidently spewing endless nothingness like Shunt is, but I'm totally freaked out now. That crazy song is probably going to be stuck in my head all day and the next time I surf. If I suddenly get even weirder, it's because this video contaminated my brain.
Apr 17, 2014, 12:27 PM #164Banned
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I just wanted to say one last thing since I saw something last night. I saw this amazing documentary on pbs last night about a man who lived amongst mule deer. I don't know how anyone can shoot those sweet intelligent animals. Really kind of sick. It was nice to finally see a amongst the animals documentary about some nice animals, rather than the predatory beasts that they usually film that can attack you in an instant(lions,bears, swimming with sharks ect) . It was also really fascinating to know that the leader was the female who didn't even gain leadership role through violence. We could learn something from those deer. It's really kind of sick and twisted how people on this forum are ok with shooting a deer, but have a problem with fishing for a shark or shooting dangerous predators in self defense. You can say meat, but guess what meat can be used from bears as well as sharks. And you also don't NEED meat for your survival so that's a luxury anyway. Not judging. I have my own opinions and don't force them on others in real life. Just saying. That being said, a ton of people ENJOY shooting the deer and are clearly trophy hunting. I also felt bad how the deer constantly lived in fear from other predators. Nature really sucks. I wished this continent had developed without large predators. It would be a lot better place. Like the Galapagos. The deer could live in peace(before you talk about "balance"...I know about it. In an island ecoystem without large predators the animals are in "balance". You don't need them. The balance is simply something that evolved and can change) Anyway, my position is quite simple. People have a right to defend themselves against dangerous predators. Fishing for some sharks or bear hunting will not wipe out an entire species. If that was the case, Maine and many other states would have lost black bears a long time ago. There's something called a bag limit. Proper wildlife management will not result in extinction. It's simply a matter of different values. You thinking fishing for sharks is murder. I think it's no different than any other type of fishing. And I value people(which include my own family) over animals. If I go into bear country(the wilds of orlando)....can't even finish that sentence it's so ridiculous. Orlando aint Kodiak island. Cape code is not seal island, South africa(a remote unihabited island where a ton of sharks gather). jeez
Ok, I'm done now. SS has the floor now and I'm gone. Gave my 2 cents and then some lol
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Apr 17, 2014, 01:37 PM #165
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Apr 17, 2014, 01:50 PM #166
Butt cheeks flapping in the wind, that's all this guy is. Without a keyboard he'd merely be the old guy perched on the corner stool in the old man bar on the corner, ranting to his captive audience the bartender.
Apr 17, 2014, 03:45 PM #167
Sport fishing for species of shark that aren't vulnerable and advocating a cull of all the sharks that come near shore (let them hang out in the open ocean, I believe you said) are two entirely different things. And get out of here with this "poor deer" crap. Only gentle species should survive? Except humans, which should make sure to aggressively take out any predatory species so all the animals can live in peace together?
I'm not a hunter personally, but hey, in the northeast at least, there is a massive surplus of deer, so an element of population control is at stake. And by the way, that surplus of deer, which is having serious consequences on forest growth and is perpetuating the invasion of non-native species, has resulted from humans taking out those mean old predators that you hate so much, which used to keep deer populations in check (wolves and mountain lions, largely through habitat destruction). You like to talk about how the destruction of the mountain lion out east didn't do anything, citing that as such a great example of why taking out high-level predators? Look how many deer live in the northeast now.
You want to take that example further, there were over 1 million deer-vehicle collisions from June 2010 to June 2011, totaling property damage of close to a billion dollars (well over, depending on what studies you read, but I'll keep in conservative). When you add in the spread of Lyme disease-infected ticks, which are widely carried by deer, and the impact of the rising deer population is directly impacting humans.
Now take this all with a grain of salt, because I am not advocating wide-scale reintroduction of the mountain lion into suburban Massachusetts. Obviously, there is an aspect of realism at play here, and we have gone too far in many places to just restore the ecosystem we ravaged without there being some real consequences for humans. I just think you are far too easily (and incorrectly, based on science and past predator extinctions) touting the resilience of nature. We're playing with some very delicate trophic relationships.