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    Should the ASP start looking into new venues for the tour?

    After the hype of the Dream Tour a few years ago we're back to the slog of the standard locales save a couple. Watching the top 32 slog through bad margo river and mediocre bells is getting redundant and boring. I think the ASP needs to start moving to venues that allow the best performance surfing to showcase itself rather than guys like Michel Bourez grinding through a bunch of turns and winning a contest.

    More kerma's plz

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    They should merge the ASP Tour and the Big Wave Tour. No more vaginal air guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewIfallalot View Post
    They should merge the ASP Tour and the Big Wave Tour. No more vaginal air guys
    maybe not merge them butttt it'd be funny to see maybe one big wave spot added to the standard ASP WCT schedule.

    it would be great seeing a sheet white gabriel mendina paddling out to Mav's

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    I don't think so. Everything could always "be better", but I think the ASP has done an amazing job with the tour. Making every event accessible streaming online. Letting the whole surf community take part in it, but you still have to remember that these tour stops are HUGE for the local economies in which they visit. It's easy to talk about some desolate island in Indo, to fly choppers into and have charter boats taking everyone out, but there is still commercialism involved here. 10s of thousands of people flock to trestles every yeard, and HB is a mob scene. Same with all the Aussie stops....

    The ASP has done an admirable job getting the best spots on tour. I put up a list a few weeks ago of my DREAM TOUR and really there were only a couple changes. But like I said before, they can't hold 30 day event windows to wait for swell. You have to remember the amount of moving parts in any traveling tour. I mean, the PGA came to my island last week, and it took MILLIONS of dollars and basically a whole month of preparation by the whole town to prepare for it. Then the g6s and charter flights start flying in... I mean, there is a ton of money involved in the ASP too. Not GOLF money, but its hard enough to do what they do now...

    And further more, I think it's equally as boring watching guys drop into DOH+ standup barrels all day. I think it's important for the tour to his beach break and hit a range of conditions to showcase all the surfers.... Surfing isn't just about having the balls to drop in and pump out of a barrel, it has to do with style and all kinds of other variables....

    I think all in all, its come a long way....

    I think once Kelly retires, the ASP is going to drop MINIMUM 50% viewership and overall marketability....

    Its the Tiger Woods affect. The PGA has been talking all year about how golf doesn't need Tiger. The Masters doest need tiger. Well, Tiger didn't compete in the masters this year and viewership dropped 60%. Thats nuts... Meanwhile, Golf Channel etc is all saying, ohh we didn't need him... In reality... No one cares and it was considered one of the most boring finishes to the masters in decades...

    So, the ASP should be much more scared of what happens when slater retires, cause by nature, a lot of surfers arent into the tour... They dont even like the competetion. A lot just watch because of Slater Pride...

    So, when he actually retires, I think there will be sweeping changes to the ASP... Maybe for good, maybe not. They may even look into more venues like the NYC event 2 years ago, just because of market value. They will have to start thinking outside the box on how to put asses in the seats. ya know?

    The waves are okay though.... IMO

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    Gland,desert point, skeleton bay, chicama , tombstones in west oz , dungeons for big wave spot, stuff that's heavy and dangerous. I want people to die. . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewIfallalot View Post
    They should merge the ASP Tour and the Big Wave Tour. No more vaginal air guys
    Billabong XXL... That's what it's all about. They do have a few big wave contests every year... That isn't what the ASP is all about though, nor should it be. Big Wave surfing and ASP surfing are almost competely different sports to me. Big Wave surfing is for waterman. For the adrenaline junkies. You have to be a better man in the water than a good surfer to do the big wave stuff. It takes calculation and determination, but as far as surfing skill sets, there isn't much to do in big wave surfing.... Again, maybe one stop a year should be a big wave spot, but these pros didn't sign up for the "Death Tour" they signed up for the dream tour. They shut down competition at Teahupoo when its too big. Its not worth people dying or drowning 12 times per year... And also, what do we do for the women? Make them follow the big wave surfing tour? It would be a sh** show.

    They cancelled the Women's Longboard Championship a few years ago at my local beach cause it got 6-8 foot beach break and they didnt want anyone getting hurt. Meanwhile me and the guys were having a blast in it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    I don't think so. Everything could always "be better", but I think the ASP has done an amazing job with the tour. Making every event accessible streaming online. Letting the whole surf community take part in it, but you still have to remember that these tour stops are HUGE for the local economies in which they visit. It's easy to talk about some desolate island in Indo, to fly choppers into and have charter boats taking everyone out, but there is still commercialism involved here. 10s of thousands of people flock to trestles every yeard, and HB is a mob scene. Same with all the Aussie stops....

    The ASP has done an admirable job getting the best spots on tour. I put up a list a few weeks ago of my DREAM TOUR and really there were only a couple changes. But like I said before, they can't hold 30 day event windows to wait for swell. You have to remember the amount of moving parts in any traveling tour. I mean, the PGA came to my island last week, and it took MILLIONS of dollars and basically a whole month of preparation by the whole town to prepare for it. Then the g6s and charter flights start flying in... I mean, there is a ton of money involved in the ASP too. Not GOLF money, but its hard enough to do what they do now...

    And further more, I think it's equally as boring watching guys drop into DOH+ standup barrels all day. I think it's important for the tour to his beach break and hit a range of conditions to showcase all the surfers.... Surfing isn't just about having the balls to drop in and pump out of a barrel, it has to do with style and all kinds of other variables....

    I think all in all, its come a long way....

    I think once Kelly retires, the ASP is going to drop MINIMUM 50% viewership and overall marketability....

    Its the Tiger Woods affect. The PGA has been talking all year about how golf doesn't need Tiger. The Masters doest need tiger. Well, Tiger didn't compete in the masters this year and viewership dropped 60%. Thats nuts... Meanwhile, Golf Channel etc is all saying, ohh we didn't need him... In reality... No one cares and it was considered one of the most boring finishes to the masters in decades...

    So, the ASP should be much more scared of what happens when slater retires, cause by nature, a lot of surfers arent into the tour... They dont even like the competetion. A lot just watch because of Slater Pride...

    So, when he actually retires, I think there will be sweeping changes to the ASP... Maybe for good, maybe not. They may even look into more venues like the NYC event 2 years ago, just because of market value. They will have to start thinking outside the box on how to put asses in the seats. ya know?

    The waves are okay though.... IMO
    very well put.


    i agree how they have packaged the ZoSea ASP is much slicker and more palatable from a viewership point of view.

    I disagree with the Slater Effect. He was already off the tour and you had the Andy run which IMO was more entertaining then Kelly just putting a hurting on everyone.

    If you look at mainland events, NYC, US Open, Trestles, the OB event two years ago, they all had ridiculous crowds but aside from the island events they're all pretty well attended.

    what i'd like to see is a move towards more performace oriented waves like Kermas, Mainland Mex, Cali and something in Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    Billabong XXL... That's what it's all about. They do have a few big wave contests every year... That isn't what the ASP is all about though, nor should it be. Big Wave surfing and ASP surfing are almost competely different sports to me. Big Wave surfing is for waterman. For the adrenaline junkies. You have to be a better man in the water than a good surfer to do the big wave stuff. It takes calculation and determination, but as far as surfing skill sets, there isn't much to do in big wave surfing.... Again, maybe one stop a year should be a big wave spot, but these pros didn't sign up for the "Death Tour" they signed up for the dream tour. They shut down competition at Teahupoo when its too big. Its not worth people dying or drowning 12 times per year... And also, what do we do for the women? Make them follow the big wave surfing tour? It would be a sh** show.

    They cancelled the Women's Longboard Championship a few years ago at my local beach cause it got 6-8 foot beach break and they didnt want anyone getting hurt. Meanwhile me and the guys were having a blast in it...
    hate to break the news but the Big Wave Tour is now under the stewardship of the ASP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ihatelongboarders View Post
    very well put.


    i agree how they have packaged the ZoSea ASP is much slicker and more palatable from a viewership point of view.

    I disagree with the Slater Effect. He was already off the tour and you had the Andy run which IMO was more entertaining then Kelly just putting a hurting on everyone.

    If you look at mainland events, NYC, US Open, Trestles, the OB event two years ago, they all had ridiculous crowds but aside from the island events they're all pretty well attended.

    what i'd like to see is a move towards more performace oriented waves like Kermas, Mainland Mex, Cali and something in Asia.
    See, I think the Andy years were NOT exciting. And I think if he were alive and had a few drinks in him, he would admit that it just wasnt the same winning without kelly. Less people watched, and I guarantee everyone was thinking, man, I wonder what he would have done if Kelly was here. Andy beat Kelly a couple times, but Kelly owned him.

    Those years without Kelly are like the 94-95 Houston Rockets when they won a title while Jordan was retired. Yeah, it was nice, but everyone said they were lucky that Jordan wasn't around... What happens the next year? Jordan comes back, wins three more titles in row....

    The same thing kelly did in the post Andy era... Came right back and said, your welcome bro. You are lucky I was bored.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    See, I think the Andy years were NOT exciting. And I think if he were alive and had a few drinks in him, he would admit that it just wasnt the same winning without kelly. Less people watched, and I guarantee everyone was thinking, man, I wonder what he would have done if Kelly was here. Andy beat Kelly a couple times, but Kelly owned him.

    Those years without Kelly are like the 94-95 Houston Rockets when they won a title while Jordan was retired. Yeah, it was nice, but everyone said they were lucky that Jordan wasn't around... What happens the next year? Jordan comes back, wins three more titles in row....

    The same thing kelly did in the post Andy era... Came right back and said, your welcome bro. You are lucky I was bored.
    that's an excellent analogy.

    I really like kelly, hell he was on the first Surfer Mag I ever got and has been an idol ever since. However i think if he were to retire it would be a different situation then previously. JJF really seems to be the heir apparent to the kelly throne and i'd like to see that happen sooner rather than later.



    Did anyone notice how HUMAN kelly looked in the QF against JJF?! I couldn't believe it. i actually yelled at my tv after he fell on that set wave.