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  1. #1
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    There's fifty people out.......

    Yo, let me ax youse guys a question. I'm not being confrontational or insulting or nothin'.

    I'm just trying to get a bit o' insight into people's minds.

    Why do people paddle out at a spot that has 50 to 200 people out? I know 6 foot RinCON looks nice and all, but the 200 spastic Californians with plastic breasts doesn't look too good.

    Sure, The Trestle is a dream of a hotdog wave, but dude, there's 80 people out.

    Why in New Jersey do people paddle out at a peak, off a particular jetty, when there's 20 people on it? There's waves elsewhere. Yeah, every swell is different, and some days peaks abound, and other days, some jetties are better than others.

    But why go surf a "7" with 40 dudes when you could catch a "5" down the road all by yourself.

    I often sit on peaks 20-50 yards away from a "pack," and I see what goes on, especially in today's clueless, no-respect, hobbyist surf culture. It's a chaos of comedy.

    I also don't understand why people will camp out at Dover, DE, for four days, with 79,999 other delinquents to go watch Jack Johnson. Why do people so like congregating together?

    I just don't get it? Why?

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    I dunno about Trestles and Rincon, or Dover...I have surfed Lower Trestles a few times with about 10-20 people out and its a pretty small peak so even 20 is a crowd. Its worth it to me for a quality of the wave, at least for an hour or two, if you can snag five goooood ones.

    I'm convinced surfing is a highly social activity for a great deal of us. Many would rather sit in a crowded pack at a spot where their friends are hanging out rather than heading down the beach to surf an empty spot with a couple of random strangers.

    Whats your theory? You must have one.

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    I try and stay away from the pack, I'll take the empty 5 over a crowded 7 any day. I'm usually one of the first guys out, will surf one peak and when the crowd comes I'll move down to less crowded peaks. I like surfing with strangers when it's just a few of us and everyone is cool. If there not cool it's like surfing alone any way because they don't want to talk, fine by me also

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of SJB View Post
    Yo, let me ax youse guys a question. I'm not being confrontational or insulting or nothin'.


    I just don't get it? Why?
    confrontational? insulting? i don't see that …

    i pick the beach w/the best waves yet had the sense to go elsewhere when hurricane bill sent 10 footers
    into squan and shammer parted the pack like moses/red sea.

    i always consider multiple beaches but WILL PADDLE INTO A PACK cause (in my own mind) i think i have
    an advantage over most due experience/hi-volume surfboard/pool training. this behavior has resulted in
    rude behavior from professional surfers who are used to being deferred to and getting the set wave
    results in hissy-fits from 140lb pro's on 5'2's…which of course i thoroughly enjoy. many times that has been
    the cherry on top of the cake of my day.

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    I am with SJB on this...

    Seriously, people always do this in VB. Drives me freakin insane especially when I am out, no one around and some "2 foot summer surfing clown" paddles right up your craw. I ran a guy over yesterday for this exact behavior. If you're reading this "Predator", that was not a shark this morning that I spooked you on, but an extremely large bluefish. He was big. Like I wanted to revive the dumping thread but I was like don't want to lose the johnson.

    I have a solution...keep an ill tempered bluefish that you can feed and train to scare folks out of the water. I suggest treating him like a dog, feed him raw meat, and name him Dishrag. Dishrag no joke yo.

    I am going to make a new board that will say from top to bottom "I don't want to be your friend". Seriously, respect and intelligence is in decline. I see examples from Idiocracy in the water too. My name is Not Sure and I am not sponsored by Mountain Dew or Carl's Jr.

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    Listen I'm completely F-up. I despise seeing people in the water.

    When I come over the dune and I see people in the water, I groan. No, really, I literally groan.

    No one surfs my spot between November and March. Well, not no one, but a limited few. The hot shots all head up north to get their picture taken, but always lose out to the Ocean City guys. And I see a random few during the entire winter. It's just me and that seal.

    Yeah, sometimes when it's bigger, grey and moody, I semi-wish for a dude or two to be out.

    I associate people in the water with potential problems and conflict. Maybe that's due to surfing Casino Pier early in my life, back when everyone were rebels and angry. I don't know. You throw a group of people in a confined space all hunting after the same thing, and there's bound to be clashes, right?

    Surfing, to me, isn't supposed to be aboot clashes. I save that sh!t for terra firma.

    That being said, contrary to what people might assume from the above, I'm the nicest dude to people I encounter in the water. I always offer a greeting, usually. And ha, some people ignore the greeting. And then I have to tell them to F Off. You see, you can't even say "hello" without a potential conflict. OMG, I can't stand that.

    You weren't out here in January, and now you're too cool to respond to a "What's up"

    As to why people pack-up: I guess they see a pack and figure that's where the quality is at, and they are going to get them some of that because they are entitled to the best quality waves..........'cause they've been surfing the past two summers.

    And a lot of dudes don't like surfing solo.

    And I guess some people dig being in large crowds whether at Sebastian Inlet or a 4-day concert in Dover, DE.

    I don't know. I don't even understand this forum anymore.

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    ^^I'd like to get a bumper sticker that says I don't want to be your friend, for the 6 am tailgaters I attract on the drive to the beach, when there are only 2 cars on the road.

    As far as surfing in a pack goes, I think that books and such for beginners advise against surfing alone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zaGaffer View Post
    This is a good question, but I think we need to establish some baseline metrics around quality. Is the scale biased for geographical location like wave size? Is a "7" in Jersey the same as a "7" in Hawaii?




    top photo: NORTH JERSEY
    bottom photo: SOUTH JERSEY

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow View Post
    ^^I'd like to get a bumper sticker that says I don't want to be your friend, for the 6 am tailgaters I attract on the drive to the beach, when there are only 2 cars on the road.
    Heres some tools for tailgaters.if you're going fast enuf hit the washer-wipe and watch 'em
    STAMP ON THE BRAKES. works especially well on motorcycles. another is speed up then just take your
    foot off the gas - no brake (lights) - just a foot off gas slow down - this produces rage (hee-hee).

    on a disclaimer note from an old taxi driver if road rage ensues DO NOT GET OUT OF THE CAR cause
    many times the next step is cuffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghost of SJB View Post
    Yo, let me ax youse guys a question. I'm not being confrontational or insulting or nothin'.

    I'm just trying to get a bit o' insight into people's minds.

    Why do people paddle out at a spot that has 50 to 200 people out? I know 6 foot RinCON looks nice and all, but the 200 spastic Californians with plastic breasts doesn't look too good.

    Sure, The Trestle is a dream of a hotdog wave, but dude, there's 80 people out.

    Why in New Jersey do people paddle out at a peak, off a particular jetty, when there's 20 people on it? There's waves elsewhere. Yeah, every swell is different, and some days peaks abound, and other days, some jetties are better than others.

    But why go surf a "7" with 40 dudes when you could catch a "5" down the road all by yourself.

    I often sit on peaks 20-50 yards away from a "pack," and I see what goes on, especially in today's clueless, no-respect, hobbyist surf culture. It's a chaos of comedy.

    I also don't understand why people will camp out at Dover, DE, for four days, with 79,999 other delinquents to go watch Jack Johnson. Why do people so like congregating together?

    I just don't get it? Why?
    It's not always that bad. I spent most of my days, at very popular, crowded CA spots. Most of the time, I always had alternatives for when there were 80 guys on the jetty. There are always spots that you can get on the cliffs with only 3-4 guys on it, but not breaking as clean or lined up as others. So it's all a matter of preference... Somedays, if a spot on the cliffs is just going bonkers and has 400 yard sections with pitching lips, Yeah, I will go out in the 40 person crowd and wait my turn. Like Mitchell said, its worth it to me to get 3-4 perfect waves in one hour, over 25 medicore ones.

    Same thing applies at Blacks and Trestles... But at both of those spots, you can get "over" the crowd and just paddle to middles or uppers, or hit the North Peak at Blacks. There are twice as many barrels on the South Peak, but some of the best barrels I have had at Blacks have been on the North end, just because I got a ton more waves and there are still barrels to be had....

    The final thought on this, is when you get to a certain level, there is a lot to be said for surfing around A LOT, of very talented surfers. I really got a HUGE KICK out of getting great waves in front of a crowd. When you show up to a spot, and the whole Plus One teams is clogging up the spot, there are 15 team riders, cameras going... Well, sometimes its a rush to be in a situation like that, cause every time you kill a wave, people that matter and people that are important saw it. I don't care about getting it on TV or getting it on VIDEO, it's more about the other locals, the pros or whoever seeing you getting it done. Sometimes, I love being in a crowd... Cause I would rather impress the most talented guys in the water sometimes than your d-bag friend who can barely stand up and "swears" that he wasn't looking when you landed that air.....

    There is something to be said for popping over the back of the wave after a sick ride and seeing everyone staring at you, and once they see you look back at them, they quickly look back out at sea, playing that "I wasn't even watching card" ... Then you chuckle with stoke on your way back out, like yeah, all you mother fu**ers saw that. Stop fronting....

    I hate crowds when its small and lame, but if its a few feet overhead and there is a lot of talent out, I actually don't mind it. You spend you time in the lineup, watching guys shred as you wait your turn... Sometimes, when you are surfin a spot like trestles, you see Mick Fanning and Taj burrow paddle out.... And again, I can't think of a better feeling than having a ASP pro checking out your style on a wave. Sometimes, crowds make it fee like a real, american sport....

    And dude, when it's firing in the summer, and there are 1000 tourists on the pier, chicks are hooting for you, japanese tourists are cheering.... Its not all about solitude and being alone out there... Sometimes if feels good to put on a show.... Its a whole different kind of stoke...

    You have ALL had this feeling: It's winter, you are basically alone, you get a ridiculous barrel, you spit out, holding your hands on your head as you pop over, like WTF just happened, stoke out of your mind, you look around. No one out. You look to the beach, hoping that the couple on the beach at least stopped to admire your ride, but no, they are 200 yards up the beach not paying attention.... You and only you, witnessed one of the sickest rides, EVER!.,...

    If a tree falls in the forest and no one is around to hear it? Does it make a sound?


    Of course it does. I know my opinions will be met with... Whatever sell out. Thats not why I surf. I dont care what other people think. I don't care who sees me. I don't care about pros... Screw the pros...


    I hear yall... I do... You are just full of sh**.