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  1. #21
    I'm not GMO alarmist or anything. I think it's not a great idea to be messing with genetics because you never know the unintented consequences of the changes. They haven't been around long enough to study. Hopefully GMO doesn't end up being the next asbestos/nicatine/lead paint/etc....cell phone? But the upside to GMO is that it's going to help feed the planet. Overpopulation is the real reason to worry...but that for another thread.

    At the end of the day - after looking at that list - it's all companies that make way over-processed food. All that processes stuff doesn't even seem like food to me. Am I alone on this? I don't avoid most of that because of Monsanto and GMO - I avoid it because most of it just seems gross. Call me a food snob if you want - I just like to know where my food comes from and what happens to it before it's on my my plate. Like the sweet and sour sauce from a chinese food restaurant? That bright red/orange stuff that will stain your kitchen counter if it as much as drips on it? What's up with that stuff? It's sure doesn't seem like 'food' though. But, man, I do love me some sweet n' sour pork sometimes.

    Looking forward to swell....

  2. #22
    The issue isn't about the use but of the identification of products that use the GMO product.
    Freedom of choice
    is what you want.
    Freedom from choice
    is what you get.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chicharronne View Post
    if the shill fits, wear it, ratso.
    Like I said, cop-out name calling is all you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headrow View Post
    I'm not GMO alarmist or anything. I think it's not a great idea to be messing with genetics because you never know the unintented consequences of the changes. They haven't been around long enough to study. Hopefully GMO doesn't end up being the next asbestos/nicatine/lead paint/etc....cell phone? But the upside to GMO is that it's going to help feed the planet. Overpopulation is the real reason to worry...but that for another thread.

    At the end of the day - after looking at that list - it's all companies that make way over-processed food. All that processes stuff doesn't even seem like food to me. Am I alone on this? I don't avoid most of that because of Monsanto and GMO - I avoid it because most of it just seems gross. Call me a food snob if you want - I just like to know where my food comes from and what happens to it before it's on my my plate. Like the sweet and sour sauce from a chinese food restaurant? That bright red/orange stuff that will stain your kitchen counter if it as much as drips on it? What's up with that stuff? It's sure doesn't seem like 'food' though. But, man, I do love me some sweet n' sour pork sometimes.

    Looking forward to swell....
    You have been eating GMO food since you were old enough to eat solid food. It isn't just processed food. As I said, Genetically Modified Organism is a catch all phrase to describe anything genetically altered by man. That includes selective cross breeding. We have been eating it for decades.

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    Quote Originally Posted by headrow View Post
    I'm not GMO alarmist or anything. I think it's not a great idea to be messing with genetics because you never know the unintented consequences of the changes. They haven't been around long enough to study. Hopefully GMO doesn't end up being the next asbestos/nicatine/lead paint/etc....cell phone? But the upside to GMO is that it's going to help feed the planet. Overpopulation is the real reason to worry...but that for another thread.

    At the end of the day - after looking at that list - it's all companies that make way over-processed food. All that processes stuff doesn't even seem like food to me. Am I alone on this? I don't avoid most of that because of Monsanto and GMO - I avoid it because most of it just seems gross. Call me a food snob if you want - I just like to know where my food comes from and what happens to it before it's on my my plate. Like the sweet and sour sauce from a chinese food restaurant? That bright red/orange stuff that will stain your kitchen counter if it as much as drips on it? What's up with that stuff? It's sure doesn't seem like 'food' though. But, man, I do love me some sweet n' sour pork sometimes.

    Looking forward to swell....
    The idea that GMO crops have a higher yield compared to conventional organic crops is bogus. Actually organic farming is more productive/sustainable than GMO/pesticide farming. One instance is 1000's of Indian farmers commuting suicide because their GMO crops failed to produce enough to cover the cost of the practice forcing them to loose their land in failure to pay off the debt incurred from borrowing the money for such practice.

    If people really cared about feeding the starving they would boycott factory livestock farming. Over 60% of grains grown go to feeding factory farmed animals.

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    Yeah, but organic produce, at large, barely makes it from the farm to the table before it wilts and dies. If you can shop SUPER locally, or have your own garden's then yeah, but for most of metro-america....

    I am assuming that Brew posted it, but someone posted a great article by some foodie woman, who explored the beer market and exposed all the beers that had GMO and everything.... Was not surprising at all....

    But the beauty of the booze industry, is that they don't have to tell you JACK SH** about what is in it. They don't have to, and they never will....

    As far as food. I think all that Da Hui crap and the marching is all just fugazi. Those guys don't even know what they are talking about. They just don't want any influence into their local economy. And I think Kelly slater told them all that they should be worried, and fight the company and they all listened. Kelly is big into all that crap...

    But people, it's america. It's the world. We cannot sustain our own people, much less the world. So, I am all about science. If the nation's walmart's are filled with beautiful (looking) fruits, vegetables and produce, all shiny and misty, for extremely affordable prices, then whatever. The science is working.

    I don't think ANY company should have to bend over backwards, or reveal MORE information than they have to. This is a free market, and as long as they comply with the standards and regulations set forth by the FDA and everyone else, fine. I don't think we need to have the statistics from their soil samples printed on the packaging.

    We need quality food, at cheap prices that have long shelf lives. PERIOD.

    Organic farming, on a large scale, is NOT the answer.

    It's all well and good for affluent people that have the time and money to shop at whole foods everyday and pay $14 for 2 pieces of free range chicken breast....

    But that is not realistic for the country, or the world.

    I mean, i eat Avocados from Mexico all the time. They taste great. I don't really care what has happened to said avocado in it's long journey from Mexican soil to my dinner table. Call me naive. Call me what you will.

    I am very picky about what we feed my daughter. We spend more money on getting her quality food, organic as possible. But for me and the wife, we don't give a fu**.

    I think the industry standards are fine. If people don't care what they put in their bodies, then so be it... But the idea that "everyone should be able to make the CHOICE, with all this information being presented to them"... Well that kind of how it already is. Anyone can google anything.

    People that want to make educated decisions about it, already do. They are just like you guys. If you care, then you do the research yourself and it's very readily available. No one is "hiding" anything....

    I just don't think any industry should be forced to divulge more information than they have to. That is basically a ploy, to try and better the organic market and compete with the monopoly that they are fighting against. Well, that is cheating. You just want these labels to mention so many scary words, that people finally just say, man, i don't know what the hell any of this is, so I am going to buy product B) that is all organic etc....

    Its just the lower end of the market trying to STEAL as much business as they can... If you get in the ring with the big boys, you gotta fight like the big boys....

    And if you are fighting against the tobacco, alcohol or processed food industries in this country, you GONNA LOSE every time....

    People don't give two sh**s what is in their beer, their vodka or their idaho potatoes. Especially the first two. You could tell people there are traces of human feces in their bourbon and people will still be drinking that sh**. Nobody cares.

    If you care about any of this, you probably already know the deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by brewengineer View Post
    Like I said, cop-out name calling is all you have.
    Why would you think that was directed towards you? Guilty conscious I'd reckon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    Yeah, but organic produce, at large, barely makes it from the farm to the table before it wilts and dies. If you can shop SUPER locally, or have your own garden's then yeah, but for most of metro-america....

    I am assuming that Brew posted it, but someone posted a great article by some foodie woman, who explored the beer market and exposed all the beers that had GMO and everything.... Was not surprising at all....

    But the beauty of the booze industry, is that they don't have to tell you JACK SH** about what is in it. They don't have to, and they never will....

    As far as food. I think all that Da Hui crap and the marching is all just fugazi. Those guys don't even know what they are talking about. They just don't want any influence into their local economy. And I think Kelly slater told them all that they should be worried, and fight the company and they all listened. Kelly is big into all that crap...

    But people, it's america. It's the world. We cannot sustain our own people, much less the world. So, I am all about science. If the nation's walmart's are filled with beautiful (looking) fruits, vegetables and produce, all shiny and misty, for extremely affordable prices, then whatever. The science is working.

    I don't think ANY company should have to bend over backwards, or reveal MORE information than they have to. This is a free market, and as long as they comply with the standards and regulations set forth by the FDA and everyone else, fine. I don't think we need to have the statistics from their soil samples printed on the packaging.

    We need quality food, at cheap prices that have long shelf lives. PERIOD.

    Organic farming, on a large scale, is NOT the answer.

    It's all well and good for affluent people that have the time and money to shop at whole foods everyday and pay $14 for 2 pieces of free range chicken breast....

    But that is not realistic for the country, or the world.

    I mean, i eat Avocados from Mexico all the time. They taste great. I don't really care what has happened to said avocado in it's long journey from Mexican soil to my dinner table. Call me naive. Call me what you will.

    I am very picky about what we feed my daughter. We spend more money on getting her quality food, organic as possible. But for me and the wife, we don't give a fu**.

    I think the industry standards are fine. If people don't care what they put in their bodies, then so be it... But the idea that "everyone should be able to make the CHOICE, with all this information being presented to them"... Well that kind of how it already is. Anyone can google anything.

    People that want to make educated decisions about it, already do. They are just like you guys. If you care, then you do the research yourself and it's very readily available. No one is "hiding" anything....

    I just don't think any industry should be forced to divulge more information than they have to. That is basically a ploy, to try and better the organic market and compete with the monopoly that they are fighting against. Well, that is cheating. You just want these labels to mention so many scary words, that people finally just say, man, i don't know what the hell any of this is, so I am going to buy product B) that is all organic etc....

    Its just the lower end of the market trying to STEAL as much business as they can... If you get in the ring with the big boys, you gotta fight like the big boys....

    And if you are fighting against the tobacco, alcohol or processed food industries in this country, you GONNA LOSE every time....

    People don't give two sh**s what is in their beer, their vodka or their idaho potatoes. Especially the first two. You could tell people there are traces of human feces in their bourbon and people will still be drinking that sh**. Nobody cares.

    If you care about any of this, you probably already know the deal
    do you also think the FDA should be abolished? How about the EPA?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chicharronne View Post
    do you also think the FDA should be abolished? How about the EPA?
    No, I am just saying. The FDA is fine the way it is. I don't need a lengthy packing label on my bag of iceberg lettuce telling me every truck that it was on and the contents of the soil that it came from... The FDA is fine the way it is....

    The EPA? Well, in theory, they are great, but they don't need any expansion either. On the west coast, the EPA is a joke. They have the clean water act and all, that half the counties in CA disregard. San Diego is supposed to pay a multi million dollar fine for opening up their sewage lines to the ocean. They do it almost every winter, the EPA let's it slide and they don't pay a dime. So what good is protecting our waters, when the EPA doesn't even enforce it.

    And Obama tried to get that new EPA legislation passed last week and it got shot down, thank goodness. Cause that is what we need, the EPA and the Obama administration handing out penalties to people who drive 8 cylinder engines....

    The FDA and the EPA are great when used properly. We don't need a bunch of scare tactics to help spike revenue in the farming and alternative fuel markets... Once the rest of our ecomony is back in line, then we can talk about all that. Until then, I don't want to hear about the bogus agendas from the EPA and the FDA about solar panels and organic lettuce.

    The FDA will let 750,000 boner pills through the market, as long as they list their fatal side effects. I guess you guys propose that the FDA treat food that way too? You can grow and sell whatever you want as long as you write long, scientific words all over the package and tell people they could grow a second ***** as a side effect....

    We have more important things to worry about than regulating what my bag of Doritos said on it...

    Remember a few years ago, when the FDA approved that crap in all the chips in the country. It was basically a way to let the food pass through your body without getting fully digested. In a nutshell, it just made everyone **** their chips out quickly so they don't get as fat.... About 6 months later, everyone was like, why do I keep getting diarrhea every time I eat cool ranch doritos... Thanks FDA. You guys were all over that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    No, I am just saying. The FDA is fine the way it is. I don't need a lengthy packing label on my bag of iceberg lettuce telling me every truck that it was on and the contents of the soil that it came from... The FDA is fine the way it is....

    The EPA? Well, in theory, they are great, but they don't need any expansion either. On the west coast, the EPA is a joke. They have the clean water act and all, that half the counties in CA disregard. San Diego is supposed to pay a multi million dollar fine for opening up their sewage lines to the ocean. They do it almost every winter, the EPA let's it slide and they don't pay a dime. So what good is protecting our waters, when the EPA doesn't even enforce it.

    And Obama tried to get that new EPA legislation passed last week and it got shot down, thank goodness. Cause that is what we need, the EPA and the Obama administration handing out penalties to people who drive 8 cylinder engines....

    The FDA and the EPA are great when used properly. We don't need a bunch of scare tactics to help spike revenue in the farming and alternative fuel markets... Once the rest of our ecomony is back in line, then we can talk about all that. Until then, I don't want to hear about the bogus agendas from the EPA and the FDA about solar panels and organic lettuce.

    The FDA will let 750,000 boner pills through the market, as long as they list their fatal side effects. I guess you guys propose that the FDA treat food that way too? You can grow and sell whatever you want as long as you write long, scientific words all over the package and tell people they could grow a second ***** as a side effect....

    We have more important things to worry about than regulating what my bag of Doritos said on it...

    Remember a few years ago, when the FDA approved that crap in all the chips in the country. It was basically a way to let the food pass through your body without getting fully digested. In a nutshell, it just made everyone **** their chips out quickly so they don't get as fat.... About 6 months later, everyone was like, why do I keep getting diarrhea every time I eat cool ranch doritos... Thanks FDA. You guys were all over that.
    Dude are you serious? Yeah for sure the people buying the alcohol won't give a **** because.they just want to get drunk because they don't give a ****.

    If people knew what the chemicals in and on their food might impact their health they might think twice and buy the organic. If more people wanted organic at that point the demand would bring down the cost.

    You sound like a typical American. Go outside the country to a place like France where the general public is educated about what's in and on their food because of labeling that tells them the dangers of ingesting such. You will find that the prices are almost equal in comparison to .

    The FDA is not doing a perfect job. Educate yourself. Michael Taylor was the FDA food safety head. Coincidentally he was also Monsanto's chief lawyer. Coincidence. Yeah right.

    I agree a lot of people wouldn't give two fuks, but a lot of people who are unaware might.

    Get out of your American shell.

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