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    Only superstar??? Pippen is a top 50 player. And Jordan never won before Pippen. Lebron took the Cavs to the finals with nobody.
    Wade can barely play 2 games in a row and Bosh was ok.

    I'm actually not a fan. I could care less about Lebron. But he is the most dominant all around player we've seen.
    Jordan definitely was a better scorer and had that killer instinct though

    MVP 4 out of the last 6 years and it should have been

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahuna Kai View Post
    Kobe is way overrated. He doesn't make his teammates better. I don't think I'd put him on the Mount Rushmore of hoops. Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlin, Kareem, and Jordan. Bron will be there when he retires, no room for Kobe.
    Agreed, he couldn't even play nice with Dwight Howard, the dude couldn't stand him. Dwight was a jerk for how he handled his business when he threw Van Gundy under the bus to get him fired AND then left Orlando anyways. But the dude is a top 3 Center and Kobe couldn't make it work. I'd be worried about Houston if they get Bosh, they could be seriously dangerous.

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    If anyone is overrated it's Howard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kahuna Kai View Post
    Bron is the most freakish athlete I have ever seen. He's Karl Malone's size and moves like a ****ing gazelle. He's the best individual player I have EVER seen. Michael would have had his hands full with LeBron and I think would have one at least one fewer championship if they played in the same era. We are witnesses (pun intended) to a freakish athlete that comes around every hundred years. It's our modern Babe Ruth. Just wait, there is more to come from this guy. I am an old guy saying this too. As much as I hate to say it, I think modern b-ball has surpassed 90's hoops. They are all just bigger faster stronger, period.

    That said, class move going back home. Bron Bron just needed his four years away from home, like college but with millions of dollars on South Beach.

    Oh and Jordan did not graduate prior to the NBA, he left as a sophmore.
    Not that it matters, but Jordan played through his Junior year, got drafted right before his senior year and went back and got his degree from UNC in 86'. So, three years, but I was mentioning that he was a highly educated guy.

    MJ and Lebron don't play the same position, so yeah, MJ would have his hands full on defense, but I have not doubt he could burn Lebron on offense at will, just like he did anyone else. We will never see the two play one on one for real, because Jordan is in his 50s. But just Wiki MJ and look at his accolades. He was voted North American Athlete of the 20th Century by ESPN. The Century. In any sport, out of 100 years, the biggest sports outlet in the world said he was the best in 100 years in any sport on our continent. Those are pretty strong words.

    You can't compare the guys tit for tat. Lebron is a PF, Jordan was a SG. I just look at it like, how many games did you win? How good did you make it look? And what kind of an impact did you really leave on the game?

    I agree with you, Lebron is the most freakish physical specimen I have probably ever seen. A guy similar is Adrian Peterson. You just see the way they are built and you are like WTF? Thats not even human.

    But being a physical freak doesn't make you the best baller or have the best style. I will give Lebron the freakish Gazelle thing. True that.

    But do you guys not remember Michael Jordan in the air? Lebron can slam it home with authority, I have never seen Lebron take off and go completely sideways...



    Jordan was a freak in the air.

    Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post
    Only superstar??? Pippen is a top 50 player. And Jordan never won before Pippen. Lebron took the Cavs to the finals with nobody.
    Wade can barely play 2 games in a row and Bosh was ok.

    I'm actually not a fan. I could care less about Lebron. But he is the most dominant all around player we've seen.
    Jordan definitely was a better scorer and had that killer instinct though

    MVP 4 out of the last 6 years and it should have been
    I will have the pippen conversation all day any day. Pippen was only a "start" for one reason. Everytime Jordan penetrated, he got triple teamed and left 2 guys open on the wing and Pippen was sitting there wide open from 15-18. Pippen was a byproduct of Jordan... And yeah, Jordan got beat up in the eastern finals for 3 years by detroit. They fouled him. They hacked him. The beat the guy up. Jordan didn't run away. Jordan manned up, and detroyed them for the rest of his career. Nobody said Jordan won his rookie year. But it only took him a few, and he never looked back. He defeated his foes. I think if Lebron would have stayed in Cleveland he would have gotten a ring by now anyway. They will build a team around him. Pippen was "DECENT" at best. I was a die hard bulls fan, obviously, and EVERY time Pippen got the ball in the playoffs, I would cover my eyes. He was a mediocre shooter, he could drive well. But all he had to do was wait for Jordan to either score it or dish it. Lotta guys made a lotta money off Jordan that way. Steve Kerr. John Paxon. Tony K. All of evem.

    I just have to continue to disagree about the best you have every seen. Not even close to me. Not yet. Not even in the same ballpark. Yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post
    If anyone is overrated it's Howard.
    Yeah, he "was" arguably the biggest physical freak, but that guy was soft as a babys ass on the court. Damn shame, cause he is built like a freaking monster.

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    LeBron is one of my favorite athletes, because of the way he goes about his business on and off the court. Sure, he got some grief for the televised decision and the stupid not 3, 4, 5 stunt, but everyone makes some stupid decisions. I think its pretty awesome that he's going back to Cleveland.

    Jordan was a bad mofo, but Lebron seems more down to earth to me. They were/are very different players. Jordan was the classic 2 guard, and Lebron plays whatever position he wants.

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    Having great style in the air doesn't make you the best either. I actually do agree that MJ is the greatest. I just think it's much closer than you think.

    Lebron is a small forward, not a power forward. And the fact is he can play point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, and center. And would be the best player in the league at each position.

    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    Not that it matters, but Jordan played through his Junior year, got drafted right before his senior year and went back and got his degree from UNC in 86'. So, three years, but I was mentioning that he was a highly educated guy.

    MJ and Lebron don't play the same position, so yeah, MJ would have his hands full on defense, but I have not doubt he could burn Lebron on offense at will, just like he did anyone else. We will never see the two play one on one for real, because Jordan is in his 50s. But just Wiki MJ and look at his accolades. He was voted North American Athlete of the 20th Century by ESPN. The Century. In any sport, out of 100 years, the biggest sports outlet in the world said he was the best in 100 years in any sport on our continent. Those are pretty strong words.

    You can't compare the guys tit for tat. Lebron is a PF, Jordan was a SG. I just look at it like, how many games did you win? How good did you make it look? And what kind of an impact did you really leave on the game?

    I agree with you, Lebron is the most freakish physical specimen I have probably ever seen. A guy similar is Adrian Peterson. You just see the way they are built and you are like WTF? Thats not even human.

    But being a physical freak doesn't make you the best baller or have the best style. I will give Lebron the freakish Gazelle thing. True that.

    But do you guys not remember Michael Jordan in the air? Lebron can slam it home with authority, I have never seen Lebron take off and go completely sideways...



    Jordan was a freak in the air.

    Just saying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post
    having great style in the air doesn't make you the best either. I actually do agree that mj is the greatest. I just think it's much closer than you think.

    Lebron is a small forward, not a power forward. And the fact is he can play point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, and center. And would be the best player in the league at each position.
    ^^^^ This!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by nynj View Post
    Having great style in the air doesn't make you the best either. I actually do agree that MJ is the greatest. I just think it's much closer than you think.

    Lebron is a small forward, not a power forward. And the fact is he can play point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward, and center. And would be the best player in the league at each position.
    I feel you, but to me, Lebron is a 4, playing a 3, who can play a 2 and a 1. Probably even the 5 spot.

    Maybe I am just an old head. Old dogs ya know. I just feel like the Jordan era wasn't all that long ago. And check the shoes on half the leagues feet to this day and you will what kind of an impact he left on the league.

    I have seen quite a few things from Lebron where I have just said, DAMN!!!!!!! But with Jordan, I don't remember a single game going by, not seeing something jaw dropping. When he got it dialed in, learned the triangle offense and help close with Phil, he became not only the greatest player we have ever seen, he became the greatest basketball mind we have seen as well. Jordan was the biggest student of the game ever.