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    Quote Originally Posted by ATANTICOO View Post
    Don't worry man, he'll get dealt with in jail once he gets caught. Swellinfo's got a man on the inside with a solid right hook.
    are you speaking from experience?

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfin paulie View Post
    If the dude IS a crack head, you're dealin with a different animal there. Even other crack heads don't trust crack heads. They know. I ain't judging. Facts are facts. I've had neighbors get trapped in that circle. Sh** will make you steal anything from anyone. I've NEVER seen anyone that got deep in, get out without being locked up for 6+ months and put on alternate meds. It's kinda sad, actually. Seen otherwise good people go down the drain. Don't get me wrong, I agree you have to protect your stuff and stop em. But it's different than a sober, clear headed dude stealin your stuff. Yeah, they need to be locked up, but I draw the line there. Don't think they deserve the payback that a clear headed thief does. I know the crack head made the choice to start in the first place, but that stuff don't play fair with your head. Man, I hope Im saying this right. I know how it feels gettin ripped off by em. Been there. Got the t-shirt. Ain't the same as a professional thief. Those f-ers deserve anything that happens to em. Crack heads need to be locked up and detoxed. Some of em are actually ok, once you rescue em that is.

    Oh, one more thing. It really sucks to be his kid. Man...
    Yeah man, know some people from back home that got caught up in all that crap. Mostly pills, the oxy or whatever, but turned em into fiends. Close buddy of mine is basically a junkie, on the run from half of Baltimore. His girlfriend is now a full time stripper, turning tricks and sh** so her and this guy can get high every day. Otherwise a good dude, but he looks like he should be on Sons of Anarchy now....

    It's a sad state of affairs, even the people I know that got out of that life, are all "lifetime junkies"... Somewhere very close to me SWEARS they can't leave the state and every come visit, because said individuals "Needs their daily pill". Methodone I suppose. Apparently, they will only give them one pill per day, so they can't save them up or sell them... So, I said, you have been "clean" for 5 years now, yet you have to take a pill EVERY DAY that is basically synthetic heroin? That is what the doctors told you? For how long? For ever.......

    America... Take em off one thing, put em on another....

    I have had my sh** stolen from these people. Some of them even stole from their kids. Their parents. Their brothers. Their sisters.....

    My best friend's mom growning up, has been on "the rock" since 1980. Originally from NC, her family were huge players in the coke game down south. She grew up in it. I always remember growing up as a kid, sh** always missing from his house. Playstation gone. Blender: Gone.... Pack of smokes. Gone....

    Hey Zach, can you drop me off at 6th and XX????? Ugh.... Sure.... Why you want me to take you there? Oh....

    Sad sh**... 30 years later, she is still on that mess. Lucky to be alive, clock just ticking away.

    Crack heads are scum, but yeah, they belong in jail. For a long time. Cause I don't care if they are clean for 5 years in there, the day they get out, they will fire up that rock baby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfin paulie View Post
    If the dude IS a crack head, you're dealin with a different animal there. Even other crack heads don't trust crack heads. They know. I ain't judging. Facts are facts. I've had neighbors get trapped in that circle. Sh** will make you steal anything from anyone. I've NEVER seen anyone that got deep in, get out without being locked up for 6+ months and put on alternate meds. It's kinda sad, actually. Seen otherwise good people go down the drain. Don't get me wrong, I agree you have to protect your stuff and stop em. But it's different than a sober, clear headed dude stealin your stuff. Yeah, they need to be locked up, but I draw the line there. Don't think they deserve the payback that a clear headed thief does. I know the crack head made the choice to start in the first place, but that stuff don't play fair with your head. Man, I hope Im saying this right. I know how it feels gettin ripped off by em. Been there. Got the t-shirt. Ain't the same as a professional thief. Those f-ers deserve anything that happens to em. Crack heads need to be locked up and detoxed. Some of em are actually ok, once you rescue em that is.

    Oh, one more thing. It really sucks to be his kid. Man...
    I have no sympathy. Those people made their own informed choices. Meaning, it was a step-wise process to become a crackhead. One doesn't start abusing substances and jumps straight into the crack rock. You gotta graduate up to that level. Addicts are a drain on society, period. The only sympathy I have are for those poor souls who were brought into their pathetic lives without a say (e.g. their children), and maybe their spouses, parents, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by salt View Post
    I have no sympathy. Those people made their own informed choices. Meaning, it was a step-wise process to become a crackhead. One doesn't start abusing substances and jumps straight into the crack rock. You gotta graduate up to that level. Addicts are a drain on society, period. The only sympathy I have are for those poor souls who were brought into their pathetic lives without a say (e.g. their children), and maybe their spouses, parents, etc.
    Yeah, it sucks either way. I always had no compassion for it either, but then, as life goes on, people close to you get caught up in it, and you can't help but remember the good in people and just say, damn, how did it come to this..... Like I said, this day in age, its all about these pills man. It's the new crack and it just seems so readily available to these kids that it's disgusting.....

    Either way, I don't look at it like a "disease" the way the medical world wants you to think. Because you were right, at a certain point, these individuals made a conscious decision. They wanted spend their day, their ENTIRE day, under the influence of hard drugs so that reality never slips into their mind. And then, just a few short days later, they are gone and won't ever come back.....

    But yeah, it's a choice they make. A really, really bad one. It's not like a bad 90's public service commercial. People aren't walking up to schools giving away free crack. Ya kind gotta look pretty hard to get into that kind of sh**....

    Ohh well.

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    Sad thing is, me like a lot of other people this day in age, have too many stories about this. I could rattle off 15 of them. Luckily, it's no one in my immediate family, but very close people man....

    And I can never forgive some of them. My best friend from CA. He was from Orange County. Came from money. Graduated from SDSU. I surfed with him all the time. He had a hot girl friend. Out of no where, he stopped surfing, his girl friend would call me telling me he was going bonkers and that he was on drugs. I denied it. Just thought she was a bi***. Finally, she plays a voicemail from him, talking absoulte nonsense, about him knowing that she is hiding under his bed and that "he is going to get her" and all this sh**... Anyway, dude was apparently on the powder, stopped coming around. Started stealing sh**. Pawning sh**. His golf clubs, surf baords, who knows what else.... He was actually homeless for a while because he got evicted. Living in his truck. Smelled like garbage. I actually called his rich mom and was like "You know your son is down here dying right? You know he is a junkie right?" So she scooped him up, sent him to a 6 month, super expensive rehab.... When he got out, I saw him twice, he turned into a super junkie right away.... Went back to rehab, came back out right before I moved away... I was so pissed at him... I was like dude, now you are going to be some werid freak for the rest of your life. We won't even be able to crack a few beers and shoot the sh**. You will be that weirdo "in recovery" guy, talking about god while we all hope that you aren't in the bathroom blowing yeyo.... I was like, I hope it was worth it bro. Threw your whole life away and you will have to be stone sober for the rest of your life on this planet, unless you prefer being a crack head junkie... I was so mad at this kid. I haven't spoken to him in a couple years. He reaches out to some of my friends, but I don't get back to him. He did me dirty. Stole sh**. He owes me money. I just wrote the dude off. Its a shame, he was a really, really good guy. One of the nicest guys I had ever met. He would give you the shirt off his back. Now he is a junkie for life, even when he is sober.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    Yeah, it sucks either way. I always had no compassion for it either, but then, as life goes on, people close to you get caught up in it, and you can't help but remember the good in people and just say, damn, how did it come to this..... Like I said, this day in age, its all about these pills man. It's the new crack and it just seems so readily available to these kids that it's disgusting.....

    Either way, I don't look at it like a "disease" the way the medical world wants you to think. Because you were right, at a certain point, these individuals made a conscious decision. They wanted spend their day, their ENTIRE day, under the influence of hard drugs so that reality never slips into their mind. And then, just a few short days later, they are gone and won't ever come back.....

    But yeah, it's a choice they make. A really, really bad one. It's not like a bad 90's public service commercial. People aren't walking up to schools giving away free crack. Ya kind gotta look pretty hard to get into that kind of sh**....

    Ohh well.
    I love how this topic comes up every once in a while, I’m always more than happy to chime in on the subject being the local recovering addict. Zach, the choice to put the first one in you, even the first few is a conscious choice. Whether it’s a drink, a puff of a joint, or taking a painkiller for sh!ts and giggles. It’s all fun and usually just partying or relaxing at first. No one ever uses with the intention of being a full blown addict do things they said they never would to get the next one. After an addict starts using after that first choice, they’ve lost their choice about using. They become caught in the grips of it and there’s no turning back. I remember when I was using and not even getting high anymore, it wasn’t even fun like it was in the beginning but I had no idea what else to do. It was use or get sick and the pain of withdraw was beyond what I could handle on my own. I hit a breaking point and said I can’t do this on my own and I got myself into detox before I ended up ODing like so many have in this area.

    Speaking on the point of all addicts being lifetime junkies though, I guarantee it that everyone on this thread right now knows of someone who is in recovery and are completely oblivious. I have made many friends in recovery a lot of them whom were full blown crack heads who have more clean time than I could fathom at first who live some of the most amazing lives. As I’ve mentioned in other threads about my injuries, I got them pills prescribed like candy, and once I had em in my system I couldn’t get enough of them. It wasn’t even about the pain, it was about the feeling those little blue fckers gave me. But I’m grateful to say I’ve got over 10 months clean of everything right now and god willing I’ll have a year in September 16th. It’s been a long and crazy road, but my sponsor always says people won’t change until the pain becomes great enough. I hit that point and want to change for the better each day. My relationships with my family are better than ever before, I’m reliable in and out of work, and one of my favorites even with all my injuries, my surfing has improved exponentially. A very far cry from sitting in a room high as a kite thinking how I’m going to get my next fix. People do change, but the only ones that can do it for them are themselves. Gotta want that change and being willing to do what it takes. I’ve got a buddy who got locked up for 5 years found a 12 step program in the state house and came out clean and stayed clean. Anything and everything is possible. To the OP- I’m sorry you had your stuff taken, trust me I’d be pissed too. Hopefully it’s stuff that can be replaced. And the guy that took it, hopefully he decides to seek out the help he needs, not only for himself but for his son. I know firsthand what it’s like to have a dad like that, mine still drinks everyday…

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieSurfer View Post
    I love how this topic comes up every once in a while, I’m always more than happy to chime in on the subject being the local recovering addict. Zach, the choice to put the first one in you, even the first few is a conscious choice. Whether it’s a drink, a puff of a joint, or taking a painkiller for sh!ts and giggles. It’s all fun and usually just partying or relaxing at first. No one ever uses with the intention of being a full blown addict do things they said they never would to get the next one. After an addict starts using after that first choice, they’ve lost their choice about using. They become caught in the grips of it and there’s no turning back. I remember when I was using and not even getting high anymore, it wasn’t even fun like it was in the beginning but I had no idea what else to do. It was use or get sick and the pain of withdraw was beyond what I could handle on my own. I hit a breaking point and said I can’t do this on my own and I got myself into detox before I ended up ODing like so many have in this area.

    Speaking on the point of all addicts being lifetime junkies though, I guarantee it that everyone on this thread right now knows of someone who is in recovery and are completely oblivious. I have made many friends in recovery a lot of them whom were full blown crack heads who have more clean time than I could fathom at first who live some of the most amazing lives. As I’ve mentioned in other threads about my injuries, I got them pills prescribed like candy, and once I had em in my system I couldn’t get enough of them. It wasn’t even about the pain, it was about the feeling those little blue fckers gave me. But I’m grateful to say I’ve got over 10 months clean of everything right now and god willing I’ll have a year in September 16th. It’s been a long and crazy road, but my sponsor always says people won’t change until the pain becomes great enough. I hit that point and want to change for the better each day. My relationships with my family are better than ever before, I’m reliable in and out of work, and one of my favorites even with all my injuries, my surfing has improved exponentially. A very far cry from sitting in a room high as a kite thinking how I’m going to get my next fix. People do change, but the only ones that can do it for them are themselves. Gotta want that change and being willing to do what it takes. I’ve got a buddy who got locked up for 5 years found a 12 step program in the state house and came out clean and stayed clean. Anything and everything is possible. To the OP- I’m sorry you had your stuff taken, trust me I’d be pissed too. Hopefully it’s stuff that can be replaced. And the guy that took it, hopefully he decides to seek out the help he needs, not only for himself but for his son. I know firsthand what it’s like to have a dad like that, mine still drinks everyday…
    Good on you you brother. Keep fighting.

    I guess the biggest take from your message there, is that yes, YOU have to want to change. That was the problem with my buddy. His mom would scoop him up and send him off to this ritzy beach from "recovery center"... Months, later he is out, starts drinking a little, then a lot, then two days later, bam out in the streets getting more coke. Aside from him no having the strength to fight, he DIDNT WANT TO FIGHT. He enjoyed getting high and he hadn't really hit rock bottom yet....

    So, change only comes if you want it to. Some people don't even have the courage to wake up one day and say, you know what, fu** this. I am done and I need help...

    The person closest to my family is a relivitive of my wife. She has been clean for a while... Kind of. She smokes weed like its breathing air, but she doesn't drink or do hard drugs any more. But she is on Methadone and has been for years. If you have advice on getting someone off that, I am listening. Cause its become a serious issue for this person and she has been told by doctors that she is a slave to this pill and it needs to stay that way. In my mind, you can't truly be free until you kick that stuff too. They say its hard, but there has to be a way. This person can't just eat a pill everyday for the rest of her life. It just doesnt make sense to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    Good on you you brother. Keep fighting.

    I guess the biggest take from your message there, is that yes, YOU have to want to change. That was the problem with my buddy. His mom would scoop him up and send him off to this ritzy beach from "recovery center"... Months, later he is out, starts drinking a little, then a lot, then two days later, bam out in the streets getting more coke. Aside from him no having the strength to fight, he DIDNT WANT TO FIGHT. He enjoyed getting high and he hadn't really hit rock bottom yet....

    So, change only comes if you want it to. Some people don't even have the courage to wake up one day and say, you know what, fu** this. I am done and I need help...

    The person closest to my family is a relivitive of my wife. She has been clean for a while... Kind of. She smokes weed like its breathing air, but she doesn't drink or do hard drugs any more. But she is on Methadone and has been for years. If you have advice on getting someone off that, I am listening. Cause its become a serious issue for this person and she has been told by doctors that she is a slave to this pill and it needs to stay that way. In my mind, you can't truly be free until you kick that stuff too. They say its hard, but there has to be a way. This person can't just eat a pill everyday for the rest of her life. It just doesnt make sense to me.
    I completely hear everything you're saying brother. That's why I mentioned the willingness to change happens when the pain becomes too much to bear. For some it happens and others continue to live in the insanity of addiction. I have my choice back now and for that I'm grateful. From what you've mentioned of your buddy I find a lot of parallels, I stopped surfing too and sold all my ****. My family didn't have the money to send me to rehab the few times I reached out to them but luckily NJ has the FMLA and my health care covered a two week stay in detox. What suggestions I can give you from my own experience, most of the times trying to help a using addict is just making it worse. The mother of your buddy should just cut in off completely. By giving him money for clothes or food or sending him on rehab vacations when he doens't want to get clean just perpetuates the cycle. If hes able to get help from others and allows him to keep using what incentive does he have to stop? If his mother and loved ones just simply said, I'm sorry I'm not going to help you anymore you need to figure it out, he would have to. That's what sucks about being powerless over others, we pray they want help and get better and not end up dead. But they have their choices and we have ours, can't control what they do. She can send him to rehab a million times and unless he wants to stay clean and shows that desire, each trip will fail.

    As for your wife's relative, I relate to your sentiment about the drug maintenance programs. Being on long term suboxone or methadone programs is like staying on the hamster wheel and never getting off, just substituting one substance and relying on another. The basis of those drugs is to ween down off to the point of nothing. But a lot of doctors and healthcare programs keep patients on them to earn money (one of the reasons I have doctor trust issues), and other cases people are afraid to stop. If I have any suggestion to you about your wife's relative, try taking her to a Narcotics Anonymous meeting. It's any mind or mood altering chemicals and if she gets to a couple meetings and some recovering addicts talk with her, she's got a pretty good shot. I know you mentioned early about 12 step programs being all about god and what not. But it is not a religious program by any means, it's a spiritual program. You'll hear the term higher power a lot in meetings and literature, but it can be whatever you what it to be and no one will put you down for your own concept. I heard it the other week, one old timing was comparing how organized religions bicker all the time about minute differences where in our meetings we don't care what you believe in as long as it works for you. Just want people to keep coming back and not use.

    I noticed you said it just doesn't make sense to you either, consider yourself grateful for that. I understand what it's like to know only how to get through a day with a substance, and when that's how you're living it's all you know and anything else just seems foreign. Ignorance truly is bliss my friend. If you've got anymore questions feel free to PM me

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    Yeah man, know some people from back home that got caught up in all that crap. Mostly pills, the oxy or whatever, but turned em into fiends. Close buddy of mine is basically a junkie, on the run from half of Baltimore. His girlfriend is now a full time stripper, turning tricks and sh** so her and this guy can get high every day. Otherwise a good dude, but he looks like he should be on Sons of Anarchy now....

    It's a sad state of affairs, even the people I know that got out of that life, are all "lifetime junkies"... Somewhere very close to me SWEARS they can't leave the state and every come visit, because said individuals "Needs their daily pill". Methodone I suppose. Apparently, they will only give them one pill per day, so they can't save them up or sell them... So, I said, you have been "clean" for 5 years now, yet you have to take a pill EVERY DAY that is basically synthetic heroin? That is what the doctors told you? For how long? For ever.......

    America... Take em off one thing, put em on another....

    I have had my sh** stolen from these people. Some of them even stole from their kids. Their parents. Their brothers. Their sisters.....

    My best friend's mom growning up, has been on "the rock" since 1980. Originally from NC, her family were huge players in the coke game down south. She grew up in it. I always remember growing up as a kid, sh** always missing from his house. Playstation gone. Blender: Gone.... Pack of smokes. Gone....

    Hey Zach, can you drop me off at 6th and XX????? Ugh.... Sure.... Why you want me to take you there? Oh....

    Sad sh**... 30 years later, she is still on that mess. Lucky to be alive, clock just ticking away.

    Crack heads are scum, but yeah, they belong in jail. For a long time. Cause I don't care if they are clean for 5 years in there, the day they get out, they will fire up that rock baby.
    So much truth here. My f'ing nephews are fighting the pills and one is locked up AGAIN for stealing, credit card fraud, etc., all to get his fix. These were good kids who got mixed up with the wrong crowd and the rest is history.

    Sucks to watch them going down the tubes, I helped raise them with my parents because both of their parents were addicts and weren't able to take care of them, so we took them in. Now, one is in prison, the other very close to the same thing if he don't straighten up. They steal from family, the only one they don't try it with is me, and that's only out of fear of what I'll do to them if they did. That stuff has changed who they are, don't even look at them as the same person anymore.

    I had a ole friend that was addicted to heroin, was clean for 18 months, went through the PAR program, was doing really well, was finally out on his own, had his apartment, a girlfriend, a job, etc., then one day she left him and that's all it took for him to relapse and end right back where he was. He tried hiding it from me because I made him promise he'd never touch it again, and if he did, I wasn't sticking around to watch him ruin his life, put me in danger, and risk getting my sh*t stolen.

    He would have me take him places under false pretenses and then end up in the bathroom for 45 minutes getting his fix. I figured it out pretty quickly and told him to get help and wished him the best. He ended up at the methadone clinic like you mentioned. He traded the street heroin for the guvment stuff. Same sh*t different sh*t. He thought he was doing the right thing, but would never get off of it. Gotta cut the cord sometime, can't stay on that stuff forever. It's just a legal way to get high.