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    Well looks like Sharc*** is back from the dead. Looks like I'll have to update my ignore settings.

  2. Quote Originally Posted by obxjams View Post
    how would fish avoid your propellers lined up together. looks like a giant sushi blender.
    haha! also production and installation of those things wouldnt cause any environmental degradation (?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Bump View Post
    What a cop-out! You're too poor to be environmentally friendly? Being truly poor IS environmentally friendly. If you couldn't afford your car, you'd be forced to take public transit or bike to work. If you couldn't afford to eat meat, the products you consume would require hundreds fewer barrels of oil to produce. If you couldn't afford a computer or internet connection, all that electricity you use wouldn't need to be generated from a coal-fired powerplant. If you couldn't afford to take a surf trip, you wouldn't burn all that gas (or jet fuel, if you're richer). If you couldn't afford a bigger apartment--or if you couldn't afford to climate-control it, you'd be using less fossil fuels. If you couldn't afford a new board or wetsuit, all those petrolium products would sit idle in warehouses and those oil rigs out there wouldn't be wothwhile for BP to build.

    You could voluntarily do all these things. Eat veg. Sell your car. Forego that surf trip. Don't buy that new board/wetsuit. You're not a slave to anything but your own desires, and those corporate "masters" you talk about, are just profiteering off of your self-indulgence.

    I'm not telling you to do all this, I'm telling you that the environmental destruction is yours and you need to own up to it. I drive to work. I run a computer. I eat meat a few times a week. So I can't shake my fist at those oil platforms or curse BP when I step on a tar ball, either.

    I agree that we should petition our representatives for better energy sources, but like the Engineers will tell you; it doesn't come free, and it doesn't happen overnight. If you want all-electric, all-solar, you're going to have to face power bills that are 10X higher. You're going to have to live with a lightweight vehicle with poor range and cargo capacity, and convince all your friends of the same.
    Ok firstly, these corporations that have been brought up (I have not named any specifically in this thread) inflate the sh!t out of their prices to make a profit. Unfortunately this is how the world works. Earn profits, screw the little guy. Look up how much profit they make per gallon of gas and per barrel, it's flat out robbery and we pay it because we don't know what else to do because we choose to not know what else to do. And do not mistake my retort as a "cop out". I do my small part and put the effort in when I can trying to leave the smallest carbon footprint as possible. And on a personal note I can't afford my car, I'm behind on the payments because 3 years ago I was a complete idiot and self centered that I needed that specific car, didn't care how much I had to pay for it to get it. Don't get me wrong, I love my car but I'm completely upside down on it. And unfortunately without that car I don't have my job (20 miles from where I live, with my grandmom because I can't afford my own place anymore). We don't run AC to keep the electric down and I use the computer at my office. My bank account is -50 bucks right now until my paycheck and then it's gone right away to pay of stupid debts I put myself into. I live much much simpler than I use too. Going to the store and not using plastic bags, driving like a grandma not revving above 2000 rpms to be as fuel efficient as possible, recycling everything and trying only to buy products from companies that do give a sh!t about the environment. Am I a saint all the time with everything I do? No I'm not, I'm an American in New Jersey. I would LOVE to just say eff it and move down to Chile and have my own farm that's completely off the grid living off the land. I'm doing the best with what I've got, which isn't much to work with. Over the past year I've downsized on a lot of crap, gotta rid of gear, donated clothes, etc.

    Also, the lighter the weight of a vehicle the better the range it's going to get. Install solar panels on your home and your paying the up front installation costs, but theoretically you can live off the grid if they generate enough energy. Would I like to do this? Yes. Can I afford the the material and installation costs? No. This is my point I was trying to make earlier. You're comeback, which is very true by the way, the less we spend/use the less overall emissions there are going to be, but this in itself just sounds like a cop out on life itself. I'm more than willing to own up to my own carbon footprint and try and improve it for the better. Like I said I'm working with the cards I've been dealt. I can assure you though that if I had the kind of money in my pockets that the people running these "corporations" I'd be using it to try and make a bigger overall difference than I can now instead of over indulgence and living in pure gluttony like so many do.

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    Look up how much profit they make per gallon of gas and per barrel, it's flat out robbery and we pay it because we don't know what else to do because we choose to not know what else to do.
    Don't forget the cut the government takes too!

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    Zombie I feel your pain on the bank situation and respect what you do to contribute. And i hear you on the if I had a lot of money thing.

    My mom and I are super close, talk to her like I do w/ my best friends. Actually talked with her about this last night. It's funny b/c we joke about my financial situation(enough to get by on), and I always say that if i had a good amount of money I'd get myself into some serious trouble, we'll leave it at this, I certainly wouldn't use it to grow my retirement account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seldom seen View Post
    I know we discussed wehn it was proposed, but now it's official. And save all that jazz about energy independence, b/c we'll probably just sell the oil to China.


    http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articl...-search?page=2
    Great post, Seen. Destroying the planet & other species for money. When does human greed end? When?

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankee View Post
    Great post, Seen. Destroying the planet & other species for money. When does human greed end? When?
    Thank you sir. And the thing that kills me the most is the douche canoes who are pushing for this and screaming energy independence are gonna sell it off anyway. So they're gonna f**k the people, f**k the land, and leave us with our proverbial richards in our hands when the economy collapses and the one thing we need to live(the land they f**ked) is tarnished.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seldom seen View Post
    Zombie I feel your pain on the bank situation and respect what you do to contribute. And i hear you on the if I had a lot of money thing.

    My mom and I are super close, talk to her like I do w/ my best friends. Actually talked with her about this last night. It's funny b/c we joke about my financial situation(enough to get by on), and I always say that if i had a good amount of money I'd get myself into some serious trouble, we'll leave it at this, I certainly wouldn't use it to grow my retirement account.
    Thanks man, I feel like that's how big brother wants it, as many people living paycheck to paycheck. That could just be paranoia talking too, after all capitalism is like survival of the fittest. But I know was loaded I'd be making investments into good eco friendly companies and just trying to give back rather than use everything on my own. There was a time I wanted as much money as possible so I could do everything for myself, but nowadays I'm more about trying to do for others more than I do for myself.

    Quote Originally Posted by yankee View Post
    Great post, Seen. Destroying the planet & other species for money. When does human greed end? When?
    When the human civilization comes to an end unfortunately

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZombieSurfer View Post
    Thanks man, I feel like that's how big brother wants it, as many people living paycheck to paycheck.
    I think it is, but also with the added piece of chasing all the material sh!t we don't need...broke and wanting things is subjugation, broke and happy with the things you need(ie/board and wetsuit) is liberation...imho.

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