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Nov 3, 2008, 02:56 AM #112
From poverty to lower middle class
After reading every post on this thread I couldn't help but chime in. First things first, I am disgusted to hear how rascist some of the people in the line up are. Next, much of the communist ideal came from the bible........read Acts 2:42-45 and Acts 4:32-37. Interesting how far modern Christianity has come from this original ideal........very self-serving.
Here's another one for those who would vote based on Kelly Slater's opinion. Is he actually Kelly Slater? My apologies if you are but I could have signed on as Obama himself if I wanted to.
Here's a shocker, as stated previously in multiple posts, Obama, Palin, and McCain support many socialist policies. Here's another example, Palin hasn't been very concerned about socialism given that she passes wealth directly from oil and gas companies to the people of the state of Alaska.
Now for the kicker. For those of you who think Obama's tax cuts will go directly to lazy people who don't want to work. I am not doing that great financially but through hard work I am getting along okay. Despite a recent foreclosure and bankruptcy things were once much harder. I was the recipient of food stamps, federal student aid and paid no taxes. I worked 50 - 60 hours each week and attended College. I thanked whatever socialist commie that someone enacted the EITC because without it I wouldn't have been able to support my three person family. I have worked my way up to lower middle class and no longer qualify for any of these "horrible socialist wealth spreading programs".........to my dismay. Maybe if the government would have sunken that 700 billion into the working class I could have gotten a 20,000 grant or low interest loan to fix the mold infested house that was unsafe to move my now family of four into. Much thanks to Obama and McLame for that one.
Now I can only hope that this is another one of those times. You know...... when you had an idea you never developed only to find out someone else has decided to. BTW....That idea was infiltrate the system from the inside to bring about the fundamental changes necessary to change our antiquated system of government into a more sustainable and functional system. I hope for this because I truly believe our government and financial system are entirely corrupted. The only variable allowing it is the so-called majority that has been led to believe we live in the best of all possible worlds and it doesn't get any better.
Nov 3, 2008, 04:45 AM #114Senior Member
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- Long Beach
All of the folks posting who are delivering the standard rhetoric on "socialism" and "social programs" need to have:
A. A devastating illness or injury that wipes out your life savings
B. Become dependent upon Social Security Disabilty or Supplemental Security Insurance and Medicare or Medicaid, because said life savings were wiped out paying for your medical care
C. Need to decide between adding another board to your quiver or purchasing your prescriptions for the month
D. Or you need to do something other than play video games, masturbate yourself into a froth and go surfing, such as get a volunteer job in a nursing home, go to Haiti, work with the elderly, disabled and poor to get some empathy - something sorely lacking in this country
Chances are, your immature attitudes towards things like universal healthcare and social programs would turn around really quickly.
Until then, I suggest seeing a colorectal surgeon to pull your head out of your ass. And do the rest of the country a favor and stop running up your credit cards, pay your bills on time, and stop taking out mortgages and home equity loans to buy Hummers with your mini-salaries for McMansions. It's YOUR fault we needed a $700 billion bailout, not the poor, elderly and disabled.
PS - If you have 500 boards in your quiver, and you ride 5 of them - you're an idiot that needs to be shot and is part of the problem.
Nov 3, 2008, 04:51 AM #115Senior Member
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Don't even try to discuss socialism with anyone who throws the word around, because you know if anything catastrophic ever happened to them, they would be the first ones with their hands out, palms up. Suddenly it would be all about entitlement, and less about the evils of socialism. LOL.
I'm an RN, and I've seen it more times than I care to discuss. I am also a survivor of a major accident and have myasthenia gravis. I've seen it from both sides of the bedpan, so to speak.
Karma is a wonderful thing. It catches up to everyone eventually.
Nov 3, 2008, 12:09 PM #116
Barry, You used the welfare program for the reasons they should be used...to help people attain a higher standard of living through hard work. As a conservative,I support welfare for that purpose but I also support personal responsibility over collect responsibility. The problem as we all know is the human nature dictates that a freebie is easier than hard work and unfortunately not everyone has the ethics that you do. The biggest problem I have with Obama are his lack of experience and his class warfare stances. I would feel much more at ease if he said something to the effect of 'let's find the money in the existing budget instead of automatically going to the 'soak the rich' position. Until we start living within our means as a country we are never going to get out of the mess we are in (and please don't lay all the blame on Bush, he had a hand in for sure but Dems are just as guilty).
Nov 3, 2008, 12:30 PM #117
1. The people who should be running for elective office, aren't. They want no part of the media inquisition into their past, their families, their friendships, the crazy crap that they did (that we ALL did) when they were in their 20's....
2. Thus, we're "led" by professional politicans & lawyers, the high majority of whom are in the top 1% of wealth in this nation.
3. Thus, there is no relationship between the working-class electorate & the wealthy elected. Although the pols will make you think that there is (witness the Joe the Plumber BS) through spin & deep BS.
Both these guys are professional pols. They both have flaws.
If Obama is elected, our rep as a nation will slowly heal & improve. He won't be able to get everything he wants, just as with any sitting president, due to the provincial clowns in Congress who have their own agendas & who always jam the president up on his agenda.
If McSame gets elected, we go on with 2 wars at huge taxpayer expense. We go on with tax breaks for the wealthy. We go another 4 yrs of W mode.
I've just had enough of W, and thus McSame by extension. One man's opinion.
Not a rabid Obama man, it just burns me up to see how America has stumbled & fallen on our arse in terms of our power in the world. I travel a lot & I see the repercussions of W everywhere - - he is despised in some places, a joke in others & generally considered a terrible representative of the great American people.
Anyways, some of the posts here have been intriguing & very interesting, so thanks to those who took the time to post intelligent stuff, I enjoyed reading all views from all angles.
Nov 3, 2008, 02:03 PM #118
It's funny Yankee that you bring up intelligent posting but yet you call McCain silly names.......
You can find just as many dumb white people as you can dumb black people. Stupidity transcends race, gender, age, and apparently has infected the swellinfo forums.