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  1. #141
    [QUOTE=jbird;21718]
    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post

    Review your history bright one. Name one "confilict" the U.S. has gotten into in the last 40years that has resulted in anything changing? What makes Iraq so damn critical that we should spent one more day there? Oil?
    For better or worse there are several examples in this hemisphere: Dominican Republic, Grenada, El Salvador, and Nicaragua. Maybe Panamá.

  2. #142
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbird View Post

    Hahahahahahaha yes i know establishing a Democracy and removing a dictator is such a terrible thing. Training 400,000 of their own soldiers in order to create a stable government. If we don't finish the job (Obama), Iran might take over and all the work of our soldiers would be worth nothing.
    Establishing "democracy" in other nations has not always worked out the way we wanted... one only need to review 20 years of history from Northern Africa through Southeast Asia. This is great irony of the activist, internationalist neo-conservatism movement.

  3. #143
    Quote Originally Posted by wbsurfer View Post
    politics suck so do all the presidential candidates. i cant vote but still from watching the debates they all suck they dont even care about us surfers so how about a surfer run for president then ill vote for you. but none of the presidents or vps dont care about us and dont really care about us.
    Obama has bodysurfed Sandy's. That counts for something towards being a wave rider. I'd attempt some tandem riding with Sarah McCain might just stick to SUP boarding. I don't want to picture Biden bodyboarding Dumps.

  4. #144
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    Quote Originally Posted by rodndtube View Post
    The president has a lot of influence over pork barrel spending. The power of the veto is very powerful. It is also standard course in politics for the president to negotiate with congress over pork and presidents certainly lard up the budgets sent to congress.
    Yea i know, i was generalizing because people think McCain's threats to veto every piece of legislation that has pork in it shows some kind of bravado. I just wanted to point out that this claim is not based in rational thought because of checks and balances, and how important pork has become in getting money to the states. You actually added to my argument because yes the president can add his/her own pork.

  5. #145
    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    wow. So because you think it a precedent and naive that pork barrel spending is to be accepted? So we just keep spending like mad and raising taxes to pay for it?
    Pork can be whatever you interpret it to be. What is pork to you might be beef to me, or chickenfeed or manure. Earmarks that slip into bills late in the process is politics, for better or worse, and you will probably like or dislike any specific earmark depending on any given day. Nonetheless, these earmarks are generally a very small portion of the overall budget. Should these earmarks be subject to full transparency and debate. Probably. However, signing up to a Pay-Go policy for all bills would be much more effective as demonstrated during the last 10 years or so of the last century. Pay-Go fell apart early in the Bush administration when increasing the debt became a "good thing to do." Sorry to digress, but I would like to see the federal budget broken into operating and capital accounts and to limit borrowing to capital investments.

  6. #146
    Quote Originally Posted by njsurfer17 View Post
    there isnt even proof that obama is born in the us
    Please define what you mean by born in the us. Do you mean in a state of the USA?

  7. #147
    Quote Originally Posted by LateTakeOff View Post
    You've worked extremely hard to pay your dues - surfing. You now have the strength, stamina and confidence to paddle out through thick overhead beachbreak barrels and score 25 - 30 waves in a three hour session. But you're getting way more than your share! While you're scoring a wave every six minutes, some other surfers who are not as strong or fit are having to wait 30 minutes or more between waves. Gee, wouldn't it be better for all if we spread the wealth/waves and awarded 20 of your hard-earned waves to your fellow surfers? Wouldn't that make it a better world?
    No!!! I am a full-on free market wave capitalist. I do NOT want to spread the wealth in the waves!!!

  8. #148
    Quote Originally Posted by barryob View Post
    <snip> I thanked whatever socialist commie that someone enacted the EITC because without it I wouldn't have been able to support my three person family.
    For what it is worth, this "socialist program" was signed into law in 1975 (Ford administration), the initially modest EIC has been expanded by tax legislation on a number of occasions, including the more widely-publicized Reagan EIC expansion of 1986. Models socialists these two!

  9. #149
    Quote Originally Posted by Spongah View Post
    Barryrob -

    Don't even try to discuss socialism with anyone who throws the word around, because you know if anything catastrophic ever happened to them, they would be the first ones with their hands out, palms up. Suddenly it would be all about entitlement, and less about the evils of socialism. LOL.

    I'm an RN, and I've seen it more times than I care to discuss. I am also a survivor of a major accident and have myasthenia gravis. I've seen it from both sides of the bedpan, so to speak.

    Karma is a wonderful thing. It catches up to everyone eventually.

    Chris
    One of my good friends is a vociferous neo-con/libertarian (he kinda goes back and forth between the two). He was fiercely anti-immigration and wanted to throw all the illegal immigrants out.... until he built his new house.

  10. #150

    The most stylish white house

    Rob Machado for President!! And Donavon Frankenreiter can be his VP. They would be an unstoppable duo... every campaign event would be stylish with some awesome music.

    And I think they would have a pretty good shot at beating Palin if she were to run in the near future!

    Just a thought.