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    Quote Originally Posted by Shakagrom View Post
    Zhou Enlai, Chinese Prime Minister from 1949-1976, when asked whether the French Revolution was a success, remarked that "it's too early to tell."

    If one believes in Aristotle's philosophy of causality (every event has a preceding cause which was in turn caused by something else, or more simply put cause and effect) then one could view the French Revolution as a longterm cause of WWI. And since WWII was in essence a continuation of the same rivalries with the same goals/problems that were never truly resolved in the first world war, the French Revolution is even a longterm cause of WWII, and since our society, economy, and political stance have all been affected by WWII, one could then argue that the French Revolution was indeed necessary to spark this chain of events.

    But then again based on causal belief, one could also trace the current state of the world as effected by the German Unification, English Civil War, Charlemagne, Germanic Tribes, Roman Empire/Republic, and even as far back as the philosophers of Greece and Alexander the Great.

    You see Ledzep, every event has played its role in the shaping of the world as we know it today, so it would probably not be correct to state that the French Revolution was a waste of time.

    But what do I know... I'm only 16 hahaha
    Hmmm... Well, the idea for the French Revolution was to get rid of a Monarchy, but eventually complete socialism took over, got out of hand with the guillotine and The Mountain, and eventually Monarchy was restored again by the Congress of Vienna. When I say waste of time, I mean: How must a Frenchman feel to know that his revolution led to Monarchy... again? The way you talk about it, saying that all events lead up to another thing, no matter how small or pointless, is very deep, and I see how you see it, unfortunately, I can't have those kind of revelations unless i'm by myself and staring into space, like my bus-rides, or right before I go to sleep. Maybe it wouldv'e been better without the French Revolution, maybe WWI AND II never would've happened, maybe we should rename this thread, but it happened after America began a country, so I don't see i affecting our country a whole lot. The French Revolution was partly inspired by America's success in the American Revolution, so without us , the french revolution probably never would've happened (but would it have really mattered???). maybe the whole world should just suck it up, grow up, and get along... In essence, politicians are bunch of spoiled babies dressed up in a suit and tie with a higher vocabulary (except for the good ones like JFK (i guess...). They all want power and money, which is frankly unGodly. I say we should all just live life the way Earth wants us because anything could wipe us off the face of this planet in an instant, and I sure wouldn't want to have spent my life fighting with people about whether or not we should make stuff legal or illegal. (I've just had a revelation).

    By the way, I got out of school last Wednesday, so the last few days I've been surfing knee high ripples

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Shakagrom View Post
    Zhou Enlai, Chinese Prime Minister from 1949-1976, when asked whether the French Revolution was a success, remarked that "it's too early to tell."

    If one believes in Aristotle's philosophy of causality (every event has a preceding cause which was in turn caused by something else, or more simply put cause and effect) then one could view the French Revolution as a longterm cause of WWI. And since WWII was in essence a continuation of the same rivalries with the same goals/problems that were never truly resolved in the first world war, the French Revolution is even a longterm cause of WWII, and since our society, economy, and political stance have all been affected by WWII, one could then argue that the French Revolution was indeed necessary to spark this chain of events.

    But then again based on causal belief, one could also trace the current state of the world as effected by the German Unification, English Civil War, Charlemagne, Germanic Tribes, Roman Empire/Republic, and even as far back as the philosophers of Greece and Alexander the Great.

    You see Ledzep, every event has played its role in the shaping of the world as we know it today, so it would probably not be correct to state that the French Revolution was a waste of time.

    But what do I know... I'm only 16 hahaha

    You rule kid. Don't forget that sheeot and you'll be an alright human being.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledzepfreak View Post
    I've read Animal Farm by George Orwell. it's about pigs being communists and what-not. It was kinda boring... I bet your book was better.
    that book was stupid. i didnt even read it as i read it in 8th grade and kept all the notes from 8th grade

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledzepfreak View Post
    Now that we're in the subject of political history, who here thinks that the French Revolution was a total waste of time?
    i think the French Revolution was stupid.

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    I really like the Little Silver location, but I'm not a fan of the PPB location. I needed a new fin recently and I tried the local "core" shops who were of no help. Brave had what I needed and the employee was helpful to me. Done deal.

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    Animal Farm wasn't that bad. It was a really easy read, but boring easily. And no, there is no connection between BNW and the book BNW

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    yeah they were downstairs 2-3 months ago.... i always check deals there i scored a new 3/2 there for $70 normally $140

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledzepfreak View Post
    Hmmm... Well, the idea for the French Revolution was to get rid of a Monarchy, but eventually complete socialism took over, got out of hand with the guillotine and The Mountain, and eventually Monarchy was restored again by the Congress of Vienna. When I say waste of time, I mean: How must a Frenchman feel to know that his revolution led to Monarchy... again? The way you talk about it, saying that all events lead up to another thing, no matter how small or pointless, is very deep, and I see how you see it, unfortunately, I can't have those kind of revelations unless i'm by myself and staring into space, like my bus-rides, or right before I go to sleep. Maybe it wouldv'e been better without the French Revolution, maybe WWI AND II never would've happened, maybe we should rename this thread, but it happened after America began a country, so I don't see i affecting our country a whole lot. The French Revolution was partly inspired by America's success in the American Revolution, so without us , the french revolution probably never would've happened (but would it have really mattered???). maybe the whole world should just suck it up, grow up, and get along... In essence, politicians are bunch of spoiled babies dressed up in a suit and tie with a higher vocabulary (except for the good ones like JFK (i guess...). They all want power and money, which is frankly unGodly. I say we should all just live life the way Earth wants us because anything could wipe us off the face of this planet in an instant, and I sure wouldn't want to have spent my life fighting with people about whether or not we should make stuff legal or illegal. (I've just had a revelation).

    By the way, I got out of school last Wednesday, so the last few days I've been surfing knee high ripples
    However, the monarchy was not necessarily sustained after the Congress of Vienna... France was at points an empire (under Napoleon) and at others a Republic. However, today there is a president (Sarkozy I believe) so if you're claiming that the basis of the French Revolution was to eradicate the absolutist monarchy, then those goals were somewhat acheived seeing that France is no longer ruled by a sole monarch.

    Well, at least your lucky that your out of school... this conversation is helping me to study though.

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    lets all stop reading up on the FR and making believe we actually know something....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ledzepfreak View Post
    I can't have those kind of revelations unless i'm by myself and staring into space, like my bus-rides, or right before I go to sleep.
    I guess I have been having such revelations as I've had my head in textbooks wayyyyyy longer than in salt water. at least i've only got a week left of this waterboarding!!!! hahaha