there is also quite a bit of evidence pointing to the fact that some of the research on global warming (i like how they changed the name to climate change after the recent cooling trend) was purposefully skewed to support the researcher's theory. But that's neither here nor there.
This isn't the only thread to address this issue on this site, so here we go again. We've all heard the liberial and green talking points a million times about the current state of "the sky is falling". Fact: the earth's climate is changing. Fact: the earth's climate has constantly changed for the last 4.5 billion years. Fact: some would have us all spend a lot of money we don't have on ideas that aren't proven or cost effective in order to solve a problem that may or may not exist.
Pumpmaster is correct, Surfnut you are......... well ........another nut!! However; if it makes you feel better ride a bike, kill your electric, and practice all the other things that you wish. I on the other hand will continue to conserve the resources that I can, but have no plans to go back to the stone age. I'll upgrade my homes electric to a wind generator just as soon as it doesn't take a 100 years to recapure the cost. I'll gladly trade in my gas hog truck when I can afford something new. In the mean time, drill and stop supporting the f****ers that hate us.
I'm certaintly glad we can resort to name calling, playground rules often work best in discussing an import issues.
Moving on...no one is arguing that we should return to the stone age and if you took a moment to examine the reports and study the change in atmospheric carbon levels, I'm sure you would also be alarmed, especially if you compared that to warming and cooling trends over time. That being said, you hit upon an important point in talking about the cost of greener technology. Cars once used to be an expensive technology, so did computers, phones, and pretty much every other technology available today. If the market supports it, green technologies will thrive and evolve into a more practical alternative. There needs to be a comitment by the public though. If we all work to reduce our energy needs, the cumulative result would greatly reduce carbon emissions. I don't feel having these goals in mind makes someone a "nut" and I will refrain from stating what I feel someone who doesn't heed the warnings of hard science and logic is.
On the political front, I agree that US dependence on foriegn oil is a severe threat to our national security. I am not opposed to domestic drilling. As I stated earlier, oil companies hold a large amount of land already in the US which they curently are not tapping into. Why should we allow them access to our oceans, when they have not used all the resources they already own. Isn't it common sense to use what you have first before creating another mess? What we should be doing is putting presure on oil companies to use the land already set aside by the federal governement for drilling.
Also, global warming has always been a misnomer and most scientist argued that the term was purely political and misleading. The term climate change is a more accurate description of what is going on. Carbon levels will warm some areas, but the major problem will result in changinging weather paterns due to ocean and wind current shifts in responce to the warming. These shifts are unpredicatable and the effects will vary from location to location.
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So..... is anyone even going? You goofs start off on another debate and all, I just wanted to know if anyone is going. But you guys are getting unrealistic about a few things.. "stone ages" No one is going that far, but I do feel way better about riding my bike, not using unnecessary amounts of energy, and not having bought gasoline since September.
Just be realistic about it. There's plenty of simple ways to cut back your energy consumption that don't break the bank.
The lease issue is a political tactic to keep from drilling offshore. I did a bit of research on this and the vast majority of the current leases fall into 3 categories:
1. Lands that have tested but produced no oil or natural gas.
2. Lands that have been tested and produced oil/gas but was deemed in not sufficient quantity or easily obtainable.
3. Lands that have been untested due to the lease holder having insufficient funds, went out of business (there ARE small oil companies out there), or has not tested the site yet.
Sorry if I hurt your feelings!!!! Your ability to recite the "talking points" is very good. Statistics and facts are like A....holes..........everybodys got them. Perhaps if you dug a little deeper you might find a connection between your scientists and their sources of funding. DRILL NOW!!! CharlieInOC OUT!!!!
Yes we have gone over this topic before,....and I thought that the core samples speak for themselves.<<<<the earth as we know it goes through cycles. I am not saying humans have not screwed the earth up and continue to do so, and we should be doing things to change our impact,...but I am so sick of all the people who think that everyone should just suck it up and never use oil based products again. And this cap and trade bs is just that bs and nothing more then another way to lie and steal money from everyone. They are using the issue to tax everyone on everything. It is a lie and it is stealing just as if I walk over to your house and said that your dog pooped on my yard so now you have to give me 100 dollars, or better yet, the law says that you have to give me a 100 dollars.
Government is evil, and they are all controlled by demons
I fear it is far to late for this country to recover from the last 8/38 years or be able to with stand what the next, hopefully only, four years will do to the real economy in this country.
unless you make at least 50k, and are single,.... one things is for sure,.........cap and trade will break you. And unless you make 100k or more, and remain single, the chances are very slim for you to ever build any sort of real wealth in this country again, as the current short and long term budgets will debase your dollars and steal in taxes any chance of a future you thought you may have had.
At this point in time,in my opinion..... sometime between now and the year 2100, I truly believe that this country will be forced to RE-Industrialize, in order to regain its currency base just so that we can issue debt that can be sold. That means we will have to DRILL For OIL, everywhere we can find it, dig for coal as much as possible and pump all the gas we can out of the ground. We are also going to have to start back up heavy industries that pump CO2 into the air and pollute the entire landmass. Hopefully we will also have new tech that will help the impact not be like that of the turn of the last century, but none the least an impact it will have.
If things had been run correctly over the last 40 years, we would have been off oil as we know it, already. But that did not happen due to greed and lies and wicked humans doing what they do best, being wicked.
Drill Now, Drill Everywhere, and pray that those printing money in DC just drop dead out of the blue.
X-gen is actually right...its all the environmentalist who want to stop the drilling yet drive around in SUV's. Earth is in a cycle if you look there has been periods that earth has cooled and warmed up...Right now earth is actually between phases scientists believe but it is hard to tell which way we are moving to warmer or colder. I agree we don't help the situation but earth seems to find ways to balance things out, look into a climatology and environmental you get both sides of the story