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  1. #21
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    We get most of our oil from Canada. I don't agree with offshore drilling just because there's a chance of a spill then our beaches are f***ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xgen70 View Post
    Yes we have gone over this topic before,....and I thought that the core samples speak for themselves.<<<<the earth as we know it goes through cycles. I am not saying humans have not screwed the earth up and continue to do so, and we should be doing things to change our impact,...but I am so sick of all the people who think that everyone should just suck it up and never use oil based products again. And this cap and trade bs is just that bs and nothing more then another way to lie and steal money from everyone. They are using the issue to tax everyone on everything. It is a lie and it is stealing just as if I walk over to your house and said that your dog pooped on my yard so now you have to give me 100 dollars, or better yet, the law says that you have to give me a 100 dollars.

    Government is evil, and they are all controlled by demons

    I fear it is far to late for this country to recover from the last 8/38 years or be able to with stand what the next, hopefully only, four years will do to the real economy in this country.

    unless you make at least 50k, and are single,.... one things is for sure,.........cap and trade will break you. And unless you make 100k or more, and remain single, the chances are very slim for you to ever build any sort of real wealth in this country again, as the current short and long term budgets will debase your dollars and steal in taxes any chance of a future you thought you may have had.

    At this point in time,in my opinion..... sometime between now and the year 2100, I truly believe that this country will be forced to RE-Industrialize, in order to regain its currency base just so that we can issue debt that can be sold. That means we will have to DRILL For OIL, everywhere we can find it, dig for coal as much as possible and pump all the gas we can out of the ground. We are also going to have to start back up heavy industries that pump CO2 into the air and pollute the entire landmass. Hopefully we will also have new tech that will help the impact not be like that of the turn of the last century, but none the least an impact it will have.

    If things had been run correctly over the last 40 years, we would have been off oil as we know it, already. But that did not happen due to greed and lies and wicked humans doing what they do best, being wicked.

    Drill Now, Drill Everywhere, and pray that those printing money in DC just drop dead out of the blue.
    I couldn't have said it better!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aguaholic View Post


    drill now!
    Those guys are awesome, perhaps they can be made a permanent choice in the smiles.

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by ECsponger View Post
    So.. is there anyone in the Surfrider Foundation, or anyone seriously concerned about the offshore drilling proposals on the forum? I'm a new SRF member and I'd like to go up Atlantic City in a carpool with someone to show some serious commitment. I'm willing to split fuel costs.. PM me if you're interested, in the Delmarva Coastal region, and are willing to drive.

    It goes from something like 9am to 8pm on Monday 4/6
    On-line petition:
    http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/not_the_answer_03_09
    More info:
    http://oilonthebeach.blogspot.com/

    Message: "Offshore Drilling: Not The Answer"
    Your voice is urgently needed right now to prevent the sacrifice of your favorite coastline to dangerous offshore oil drilling impacts. 4 upcoming public hearings will determine what actions the Obama Administration will be taking this fall with regard to allowing, for the first time, new offshore oil and gas drilling in our most sensitive coastal waters, and for approval of renewable energy industry proposals off of our coast.

    US Secretary of the Interior, Ken Salazar, is holding 4 public meetings to talk about the federal government's plans for new offshore drilling.

    DATES:
    Monday, April 6, 2009
    Atlantic City Convention Center
    One Convention Boulevard
    Atlantic City, New Jersey

    Wednesday, April 8, 2009
    Tulane University
    McAlister Auditorium Building
    43 McAlister Drive
    New Orleans, Louisiana

    Tuesday, April 14, 2009
    Dena'ina Civic and Convention Center
    600 West Seventh Avenue
    Anchorage, Alaska

    Thursday, April 16, 2009
    University of California, San Francisco
    Mission Bay Conference Center,
    Robertson Auditorium
    1675 Owens Street
    San Francisco, California

    TIME: At each location, doors will open at 8:00 a.m. and meetings will begin at 9:00 a.m. Meetings will conclude by 8:00 p.m., with breaks tentatively scheduled from 12:00 - 1:00 p.m. and 4:00 p.m. - 6:00 p.m. Please refer to http://www.mms.gov/5-year for final schedule information for each meeting.

    MEETING OVERVIEW: After opening remarks, the Secretary and Interior agency staff will present a brief overview of the Department's findings regarding Outer Continental Shelf (OSC) energy resources.

    The rest of the meeting will be devoted to hearing from public and private interests on best approaches to developing a comprehensive offshore energy plan that includes the development of traditional and renewable sources of energy on the OCS.

    PLEASE RSVP: If you can attend the public meetings, then please formally RSVP to let the US Department of the Interior know that they should hold a spot for you, at the meeting. Space is limited. Simply email DOI_Events@ios.doi.gov to RSVP.

    MORE INFO: Visit www.nottheanswer.org

    UNABLE TO ATTEND? If you are unable to attend the hearing, written comments will be accepted through September 21. Please submit your comments electronically at: http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/not_the_answer_03_09, or by mail to:

    Ms. Renee Orr,
    Chief, Leasing Division at Minerals Management Service
    MS 4010
    318 Elden St.
    Herndon, VA 20170-4817.

    Thank you,
    The Surfrider Foundation

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    I have a bunch of guys who want to go to support the drilling so we'll be up there.

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    "Cap and Trade" gained huge momentum during the Reagen Administration because it symbolized a market-oriented approach in contrast to a regulatory approach. The impetus for cap and trade was to address the acid rain problem plaguing the northeastern United States and Canada.

    It is curious to see so many people on this forum advocating for a Soviet-era style industrial policy, not unlike many parts of China today, which ignores environmental protections because they are intrusive to unfettered production.

    I am ambivalent to the issue of offshore drilling. I am not part of the "anti-energy" camp. However, I also see potential offshore oil and gas fields as a strategic reserve and national security hedge, and not a solution to current, near- and mid-term energy use. The nation has ample capacity to produce and conserve energy.

    Please shed some light on this statement, "If things had been run correctly over the last 40 years, we would have been off oil as we know it, already. But that did not happen due to greed and lies and wicked humans doing what they do best, being wicked."

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    other then the obvious economic gains in many areas, do not think for a minute that the National Security issue is not as important, if not more so then any economic benefit. But most do not think in those terms so,...it kind of goes without saying for a few of us.

    I may have used an extreme word,"wicked" to describe our government and those in that profession. But it was meant to have the desired effect and it works in the context, for me at least.

    The 40 years I spoke of is actually directly linked to the National Security you spoke of as well, Explain to me why I could take three to four groups of 20, semi-trained persons with minimal equipment and effectively shut down the key refineries in this country. No new refineries have been built in how long? Why? Wonder what would happen to the price of gas then, or the economy? Strange how that has not been done yet, guess we are lucky.

    I am tried of writing now, The DP was good and I am a little tried. This is a good topic and can be educational for all those willing to understand both sides to this very important issue.

  8. #28
    I remain perplexed by the use of the word "wicked" to describe our government and those in that profession. How can you label the institution and the people in it as wicked and at the same time ignore corporations and companies of all sizes, non-corporate groups, and individuals?

    Regarding "The 40 years I spoke of is actually directly linked to the National Security you spoke of as well, Explain to me why I could take three to four groups of 20, semi-trained persons with minimal equipment and effectively shut down the key refineries in this country. No new refineries have been built in how long? Why? Wonder what would happen to the price of gas then, or the economy? Strange how that has not been done yet, guess we are lucky."

    I don't understand the context of 40 years. Why not 20, 60 or 80 years? From a national security and economic perspective, using the action teams that could shut down refineries this is really not so different than being able to do the same to many large chemical and nuclear facilities and water supplies. People with ill will can cause lot's of damage (regardless of their motivation, e.g., Oklahoma City). One of the solutions is to decentralize the nodes of production (refining), e.g., build refineries in Delaware Bay, Indian River and Norfolk. Another option would be to diversity and decentralize energy production (and conservation). An investment in a modernized energy grid would be akin to the national security act that built our interstate highway system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surfnut1018 View Post
    I understand the need to supplement our energy needs now while more sustainable forms of energy are being developed. The thing is, oil companies currently hold leases on 68 million acres of land within the US which contain oil and have not been touched. The big effort of oil companies is to first aquire as much oil producing land as possible, and then drill. What we should do is encourage oil companies to tap the land they already hold first, and if by the time these areas are tapped and a sustainable energy source isn't found, then look to the ocean. There is no need to further pollute our oceans when oil companies are sitting upon reserves now, waiting for oil prices to rise in the market. They are seriously manipulating the American people.
    Can you prove what you said about the 68 million acres possibly containing oil? Are you talking about in Alaska? What I mean is, where did you read that? Not saying your wrong, I just haven't heard that, which is probably for a reason. It's amazing the things that don't get out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Db2k5 View Post
    Can you prove what you said about the 68 million acres possibly containing oil? Are you talking about in Alaska? What I mean is, where did you read that? Not saying your wrong, I just haven't heard that, which is probably for a reason. It's amazing the things that don't get out.
    Here is a good place to start.
    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...ting_that.html

    Conservative Congressman Roscoe Bartlett (D, MD-6) has been arguing for several years that oil and gas are fossil fuels [pun indeed], in other words, a fuel of the past and that alternative sources of energy should be pursued in addition to conservation.
    http://bartlett.house.gov/uploadedfi...01,%202008.pdf
    And here:
    http://bartlett.house.gov/uploadedfi...10,%202008.pdf
    Funny statements such as,
    "With the shortages in oil, which have driven up the price of gasoline, they want me to vote to drill in ANWR and offshore. I have got 10 kids, 16 grandkids and two great-grandkids, and I ask them, if you can drill in ANWR tomorrow, what would you do the day after tomorrow? And there will be a day after tomorrow.

    We are leaving our kids a horrendous debt, growing by leaps and bounds. Not with my vote, if you will check the record, but we are leaving them that debt. And I ask those who would like me to vote to drill in ANWR and offshore, wouldn't it be nice if I left my kids and my grand-kids and my great grandkids a little energy to deal with this horrendous debt?"
    The next is a quote also from Hyman Rickover. You can see why I believe this will be shortly recognized as perhaps the most insightful speech given in the last century. ``I suggest this is a good time to think soberly about our responsibility to our descendants.'' Wow, 51 years ago, and there are very few who are thinking soberly at all about this today.

    ``I suggest this is a good time to think soberly about our responsibilities to our descendants, those who will ring out the fossil fuel age. We must give a break to these youngsters by cutting fuel and metal consumption.''