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  1. #21
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    try to see it from a different perspective other than your own meaning, the guards, the rangers and others with certain responsibilities that go beyond making sure you get to surf where you want to. Yes, it was small and not critical for you and me and many others - but what about the Joe Surfer-since-May with his NSP filled with false confidence. The reality is that if you count on the general public to use good judgement and make responsible decisions, then guess what, your going to regret that decision every single time. How are you supposed to discern the ability and skills on land? "Oh your from CALIFORNIA, well, thats different, why didn't you say so before? Step right this way sir."

    SH attracts inland kooks like flys to **** - they, and the websites that hype up and encourage them and surf shops that sell them NSPs are to blame for the situation - not the rangers.

    Zippy you just sound bitter because the place where you (and I both) grew up doesn't look the same 3 decades later. Have you kept up with the news about Sandy Hook? Because guess what, for the last 7 years its been a c__t hair away from being turned from a public area into a B&B and corporate events location.
    Last edited by dave; Aug 27, 2009 at 12:23 PM.

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    Thanks Zippy, looks great, that must be why it was in Surfer/Surfing magazines so many times many years ago.

  3. #23
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    Quote Originally Posted by dave View Post
    Have you kept up with the news about Sandy Hook? Because guess what, for the last 7 years its been a c__t hair away from being turned from a public area into a B&B and corporate events location.
    will never happen

  4. #24
    Dave it's surprising you just don't get it! Banning surfing because of a few people who don't know any better is not the answer.
    If things ran your way, surfing would be banned any time there was a waist high swell.
    What you said about "Joe Surfer" happens everywhere on the surfing planet.
    The answer is personal responsibility. It's also why taxpayers pay for lifeguards. If there are no lifeguards, well then your on your own.
    Many of us have exercised personal responsibility daily for years, we shouldn't have to suffer for "Joe Surfer."

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    Many of us have exercised personal responsibility daily for years, we shouldn't have to suffer for "Joe Surfer."
    thats great that you at least pay lip service to personal responsibility, and you may even really be that way, I don't know b/c I don't know you. I'll tell you what I do know, and that is I certainly am not going to bet my career on it.

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    personal responsibility pure and simple. if Joe Surfer goes out and dies, it's Joe's fault. Big Brother shouldn't have a say in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aka pumpmaster View Post
    personal responsibility pure and simple. if Joe Surfer goes out and dies, it's Joe's fault. Big Brother shouldn't have a say in it.
    I have to agree here, but I know it'll never be that way (especially in NJ). Nobody is allowed to learn their lesson anymore because the government, for lack of specificity, is always looking to babysit us. Whether they really have our best interest in mind or not, they need to be much more hands-off. When parents are faced with how to raise their children, are they better off smothering them with protection or letting them get sick, fall down, and have their feelings hurt once and a while? When I was young and learning to surf, I had some close calls like almost breaking my next and almost drowning more than I would have liked to. That taught me to be vigilant, intelligent, and respectful of the ocean. Obviously I risked death and/or paralysis, but I learned my lessons and moved on. The old cliche, what doesn't kill us makes us stronger applies all the time. We need more freedom to make mistakes and take responsibility for those failures. /rant

  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by dave View Post
    thats great that you at least pay lip service to personal responsibility, and you may even really be that way, I don't know b/c I don't know you. I'll tell you what I do know, and that is I certainly am not going to bet my career on it.
    So Dave with all the videos on display here of all the places that had surfers surfing bigger waves, while Sandy Hook was closed, you still agree it should have been closed.
    Shows how selfish you are, standing by a wrong decision, and ruining it for many, just to save your job.

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    "Shows how selfish you are, standing by a wrong decision, and ruining it for many, just to save your job"

    isn't that typical of most in government???

  10. Next time surf anyway, and have one of your buddie scoop you up on a waverunner so they cant arrest you.