PLEASE READ AND POST YOUR THOUGHTS, SUGGESTIONS, AND OPINIONS IT COULD REALLY HELP US ALL OUT
Okay, Ive lived and surfed in South Jersey since I was born. In high school and early on in college I'd surf on a rare occasion for very brief periods of time (if it was big and clean enough, and air temp wasnt too bad) in Jan-Mar in my O'Neill 3/2 w 3mm Split Toes booties, and 3mm O'Neill 5 finger gloves w a hood. Yes, it sucked, bad. Following that period of my life, I just stopped surfin b/w Dec and Apr (too broke too buy a good suit and not ballsy enough to just go in my 3/2), and just racked up sick days for warmer swells. This has caused me to hate the winter and miss great swells where I could be out there with little chance of surfin w kooks. Now I have a career nad have to work through the summer (part of getting older I guess). But I couldn't afford a good wetsuit that I could use in the winter months. But now, alas, I finally can!!! But, there are too many new technologies and not enough information available on which wetsuit really is the best for your money especially for around here. I am completely unbiased toward any company and know the better a wetsuit fits, the warmer it will be (I'm a Med Tall). But sizing aside, I'd like to just keep my 3/2 and find a wetsuit that will allow me to not freeze in the winter like a classic 4/3, but wont be too warm for those transitional months like a classic 6/5/4 and will not restrict my movement too much. And since this info is so hard to find, I feel it needs heavy discussion and review, without regard to sizing so everyone can profit from the info.
My first dilemma is finding a wetsuit that will have the most effective use (Mind you, I never had anything more than a 3/2, and am using research I got off the internet from several different sources for mm's to match temperatures). 6/5/4s are great in Jan-Mar, but get a little warm in Apr and Nov, 5/4/3s dont usually get too warm in Apr or Nov, but may not be warm enough Jan-Feb. I don't mind being a little cold on a few of the coldest days if I can extend my wetsuits useful life a few more months into a little warmer weather, so I beleive my best bet may be a 5/4/3, so I can extend its use into Apr and Nov and can use it for most of the winter without getting too cold and maybe limiting my time to an hour or so less in the coldest days of Jan and Feb. Do you think this is right?
Next, Do some of the new technologies merit the ability to lose a milimeter for more movement and maintain the same amount of warmth? For instance, can some of the new technologies give me the warmth of a 6/5/4 with the maneuverability of a 5/4/3? If so, would it be crazy to say if I buy a 4/3 Ripcurl F-Bomb, it could work in place of a 5/4/3, (what i thought would be my best bet for a NJ Winter)? My first instinct is no, what do you think?
Okay, now the main part, the suits and their technologies. Through my own research I have narrowed down a few wetsuits that seem to be the best to me, the Ripcurl F-Bomb (forget the H-bomb for this discussion), O'Neill Psyco Freak, Xcel Infinity DryLock, the Body Glove Vapor, and I'm curious about the very expensive Matuse wetsuits and open to other suggestions. Each features either a combination or specialization of the newest technologies. What do you beleive has the best mix of these technologies and will have a long useful life? My freind has the 5/4 F-bomb and swears by it, so thats what I'm leaning toward. But there are other features it does and doesnt have. I like the drylock, but is that lock bulky if you own it? Ive also heard they have some seam problems. The Psycho Freak seems good, but comes in weird thicknesses would you get a 5.5/4.5 or a 4.5/3.5 for an extensive useful life in an NJ winter?
What features are really the best? Fireskin, slantzip, chest zip, drainage, hooded/detatchable hood, no hood, drylock, bamboo barrier, titanium, E3, granite neoprene, double titanium, what seems are the best, taped, double taped, infused, glued? air lock (the new three layer air pocket thing that Matuse has seemed to come on the scene for but now O'Neill may have stolen it and created their own version)? What are really the best features and which wetsuit has really found the best combination of them? I am still leaning toward the F-bomb. What features do you have, that you need in any future wetsuit you buy?
Finally, I am not sure about hoods, booties or gloves. With booties, I enjoy the split toe feature to help your foot from sliding within the boot, but there are also round toe and strapless options. What thickness would you recommend? And do new features merit the loss of thickness, can a 5mm F-bomb boot be as warm as a 7mm regular boot? Like the wetsuits, which will have the most useful time window (7mm might be too warm for Apr or Nov and a 5mm might be to cold for Jan-Feb, but is it unbearable in either direction?) New technologies in gloves make you ask the same questions. But do you prefer 5 finger, lobster claw or mittens? And if you have 7mm booties are 5mm gloves fine? if you have 5mm booties are 3mm gloves fine? Or is 5mm gloves and 5mm booties using the lates technologies, i.e. fireskin, the best way to go? And how thick should your hood be? 2mm or 3mm? And will a 2mm with fireskin make it as warm as a 3mm?
I think I am heavily leaning toward the 5/4 hooded Ripcurl F-Bomb, with 5mm F-bomb split toe booties (still debating 7mm) and 5mm F-Bomb 5 finger gloves. I feel it may offer the best combination of technologies and the best useful life for an NJ surfer, not suffering being too cold on the coldest days, but not being too warm in those tranisitional months, hopefully reducing the need to buy a 4/3. What do you think? Is this what you would do?
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Mar 2, 2010, 08:23 PM #1
The Best Wetsuit Available for an NJ Surfer
Oct 19, 2010, 02:44 AM #2
you could check out the wetsuit review thread stickied to the top of the page here, read some reviews, then take that knowledge down to your local surf shop & ask someone who knows about this stuff what they think, & try on some suits & find out which on fits you the best & will work for the conditions your going to use it in.
you know, rather than posting up the 8,000th wetsuit thread & rambling on like a stoned lunatic.
Oct 19, 2010, 03:16 AM #3Member
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I would not recommend an Xcel, I dropped $400 on a 3/2 drylock, expecting the best on the market, sure its flexible and light and warm, but the seams on the knees are already separating after a few months, thats unacceptable. I have an Oneil mutant 5/4/3 thats pretty sick for my winter suit. That one is a lot older, and its held up very well. You won't need boots thicker then 5 mil unless you plan on staying out over 2 hours, which is nuts in the winter anyway.
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Oct 19, 2010, 04:58 AM #4Junior Member
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He isnt asking for links, he has obviously researched it quite a bit.
First of all, im from virginia beach, so your water may be a little colder than it gets here. However, in terms of wetsuits, i have found a 5/4/3 to be plenty in the winter and well into spring and late fall. All the big companies have marketing jargon to confuse you, but if you buy a top quality wetsuit from any company you are going to get what you pay for (in most cases). If you are looking for flexibility over warmth, i know that oneill claims the psychofreak is as warm as suits 1-1.5 mm thicker. I have never owned one, so you would need confirmation from someone who has one, but if this is the case, then you could probably get away with a 3.5/4.5 psychofreak. In terms of booties/gloves, in vb 5mm is more than enough for both. The key thing with them is to make sure the seams are taped.
Goodluck in your search
Oct 25, 2010, 03:22 AM #5
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I would not recommend an Xcel, I dropped $400 on a 3/2 drylock, expecting the best on the market, sure its flexible and light and warm, but the seams on the knees are already separating after a few months, thats unacceptable.
Dude, send the suit back to Excel with a courteous letter and see what they do for you. In my experience, they back up their suits really well.
Oct 19, 2010, 02:32 PM #7Senior Member
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- Monmouth County
In my opinion, if you get any of the suits from the past 2 or 3 seasons you will be fine. You are not going to notice any difference as long as the suit isn't the absolute base model. Even those are better than the top of the line suits that came out 10+ years ago.
Just go try on a suit and buy it if it fits. All the technology are just marketing gimmicks in my opinion. Or watch the forums, usually someone is trying to sell a suit cheap on here.
I might unload my brand new West Lotus size large if anyone's interested.
Oct 20, 2010, 01:37 AM #9Senior Member
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i must say its so nice changing in a dry suit the next day in the winter. (r4). toasty suit
Oct 20, 2010, 03:50 AM #10
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- North Wildwood ,Nj
Well since Patagonia Just came out with a hooded full suit I might have to put that on my christmas list