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    So the latest is that someone (probably at BP) told Transocean to proceed with what they were doing even though two critical tests failed and the guy in charge of the rig was against it. Whoever the responsible parties are, they should be held responsible. Having said that, I don't think you can excoriate an entire company of thousands of people for the decisions of one or a few. Secondly, some of you may get your ill-conceived wish now that the Obama admin is talking about BP paying for all of the people they're putting out of work with the deep well drilling moratorium http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE6582NC20100609. If BP goes bankrupt, no one is going to get paid, as I stated before. The full ramifications of these plans need to be thought out before these knee jerk reactions are made into policy or law. Apparently, British retirees are now being hurt by all the demagoguery of BP now as well.

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    Of course...

    ...there are going to be accidents. But, this one might have been man made. The initial interviews w/ the onboard engineers said that that BP management directed them to use light weight salt water for drilling instead of the drilling mud which is chemically engineered for this work. Each interviewed engineer said in their whole careers they have never done this and their objections were overruled by BP management(even the lead engineers). If this is the case then the saltwater could not hold back the 2000psi+ pressure created at this depth that the mud could have when used. This is what probably caused this whole mess. Trying unsound shortcuts at these depths and since it is so deep it's out of control and cannot be sealed like a surface well can.

    Now, without pre-drilled relief wells like Canada uses for all of their deep wells we are getting screwed and have to wait until possibly August or later to fix this. Just like riding a bike downhill w/ out brakes.

    This was all caused by BP management trying to cut down on the 750k+ daily expense of drilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwj72 View Post
    If BP goes bankrupt, no one is going to get paid, as I stated before.
    how do you possibly know that given that they havent declared bankruptcy so no court has looked into their assets, and no charges have even been filed against them to determine what crimes they might be guilty of and how many claimants there are. I would think BP has significant assets that would allow claimants/creditors to get paid, and with the politics of this situation i doubt any bankruptcy court would allow BP to squander away all of their assets on bogus "retirement" packages as opposed to spill victims. As has been said before, these oil spill threads on a surfing forum are really ridiculous...sorry for prolonging this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mitchell View Post
    how do you possibly know that given that they havent declared bankruptcy so no court has looked into their assets, and no charges have even been filed against them to determine what crimes they might be guilty of and how many claimants there are. I would think BP has significant assets that would allow claimants/creditors to get paid, and with the politics of this situation i doubt any bankruptcy court would allow BP to squander away all of their assets on bogus "retirement" packages as opposed to spill victims. As has been said before, these oil spill threads on a surfing forum are really ridiculous...sorry for prolonging this one.
    I'm not going to claim to know exactly where all the victims fit in, but the courts will have to follow bankruptcy law (although I suppose Obama could and probably would violate these laws as he did with GM) and the money will run out at some point as opposed to if they stay in business and keep making money. Criminal charges have nothing to do with claimants. If you don't think there are already lawsuits in action, then you haven't lived in this country very long. My point was that people keep demagoging BP and the administration is trying to sign them up to pay for more than the spill and I don't think any of that is constructive to the situation.

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    I saw that yesterday, it's hilarious.

  7. **** BP and every body that works for this company. your not only ****ing up spots to surf but everything else that lives in the ocean and they think its only a minor spill and is having no effect on the eco system?? buncha ****in morons. every mother ****er that died the day that this happened deserves every last bit of what they had coming. so does there families and everybody else that works for them. these people need to be thrown the F*ck in jail. its been over a month now and there had been no progress?? were just letting oil spill into these waters and its slowly creeping up the coastline? this sh!t is rediculous. these morons need to start using there F*ucking heads and realize how bad they are really F*cking **** up out in these waters and get it cleaned the F*uck up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eastcoast_sponger View Post
    **** BP and every body that works for this company. your not only ****ing up spots to surf but everything else that lives in the ocean and they think its only a minor spill and is having no effect on the eco system?? buncha ****in morons. every mother ****er that died the day that this happened deserves every last bit of what they had coming. so does there families and everybody else that works for them. these people need to be thrown the F*ck in jail. its been over a month now and there had been no progress?? were just letting oil spill into these waters and its slowly creeping up the coastline? this sh!t is rediculous. these morons need to start using there F*ucking heads and realize how bad they are really F*cking **** up out in these waters and get it cleaned the F*uck up.
    Obviously a Rhodes Scholar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cjswee View Post
    ...there are going to be accidents. But, this one might have been man made. The initial interviews w/ the onboard engineers said that that BP management directed them to use light weight salt water for drilling instead of the drilling mud which is chemically engineered for this work. Each interviewed engineer said in their whole careers they have never done this and their objections were overruled by BP management(even the lead engineers). If this is the case then the saltwater could not hold back the 2000psi+ pressure created at this depth that the mud could have when used. This is what probably caused this whole mess. Trying unsound shortcuts at these depths and since it is so deep it's out of control and cannot be sealed like a surface well can.

    Now, without pre-drilled relief wells like Canada uses for all of their deep wells we are getting screwed and have to wait until possibly August or later to fix this. Just like riding a bike downhill w/ out brakes.

    This was all caused by BP management trying to cut down on the 750k+ daily expense of drilling.
    I saw that interview on CNN they had with the 5 survivors of the oil rig blast... To here that they were talking about BP managers forcing to cut corners, over safetey restraints by Transocean is sickening.

  10. For all of you guys who havent heard yet; the oil has entered "the loop" which stretches from the golf around the keys and up the entire east coast.