Man that's the truth. It's like they are magic they're so damn warm. Plus they are the first pair of gloves that didn't fall apart after a season. I tried lots of different brands/styles prior to this, and 1 season was the best I ever got, but these are 2 seasons in and like new.warmest gloves are xcel 7mil mitts.
I'm 5'10" 215-220. I have a Hyperflex 6/5/4 which is two seasons old with no problems. Fits good and is toasty. It's not the stretchiest suit I've ever had, but it's good enough.
Previously I had good luck with Rip Curls top of the line suits, but they just got too expensive to justify in my opinion.
I've had bad luck with Oneill winter suits (quality issues and bad warranty service), but many others swear by them so perhaps it was simply bad luck.