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Sep 8, 2010, 11:15 PM #21
Sep 9, 2010, 12:02 AM #22Member
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From the look of the article re the man who died in Hawaii from bacterial infections, it seems that two factors that contributed to his death were i) he had open cuts when he was dumped into the canal, providing a nidus for infection and ii) he waited several days from the onset of infection to seek treatment. So don't be idiots. If you have open wounds, don't surf in dirty water and if you get skin infections that are getting worse, go to the hospital.
Sep 9, 2010, 01:57 AM #23Junior Member
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yeah im no expert but he may have been kidding....
Sep 9, 2010, 04:48 AM #24
I caught MRSA from gym equipment in 2008. Freakn gym equipment....unreal. A boil that got worse & hurt like a witch. Had to get it lanced, tested, then off to the Infectious Disease Clinic. (just the name of the clinic alone....da f**k) Antibiotic pills didn't touch it. They sewed a PIC line into my arm, with the line just cm from my heart, the better to pump drugs into my heart & rapidly out into my bloodstream. 2x per day for 3 weeks I pumped 2 hours worth of Cubicin into my body through that PIC line into my heart.
I got lucky. Beat it in 3 weeks. My health care provider (awesome) told me some horror stories of fact, though. Like the competitive runner who was in tremendous shape, 30 y.o. got it from a towel in a gym. She was still doing the 2x daily IV drug regimen ONE YEAR later &they couldn't beat this wily evil bacteria. Many other stories of soccer moms, HS kids, pro athletes who no matter what could not shake MRSA.
So, you're incorrect, amigo. This stuff is nasty & it can def take a person out, any person, even with modern meds.
If y'all recall, 2 Redskins players caught it. One had to retire, 'cause they cut so much of his foot & calf away in desperate attempts to beat MRSA. And Redskins Park practive facility had to be gutted, costing millions of dollars, 'cause they couldn't cleanse the place of MRSA. It was done quietly, but the Skins had huge problems with MRSA, just as many pro teams have had MRSA issues.
MRSA & gram negatives are not just hanging around hospitals. They're everywhere that humans are. And that includes the ocean.
As for gram negatives: evil, evil stuff. Modern meds have only a couple of sketchy, 1940's era drugs in the gun against those nasty critters, and nothing is on the horizon that will be the magic bullet.
“For Gram-positives we need better drugs; for Gram-negatives we need any drugs,” said Dr. Brad Spellberg, an infectious-disease specialist at Harbor-U.C.L.A. Medical Center in Torrance, Calif., and the author of “Rising Plague,” a book about drug-resistant pathogens. Dr. Spellberg is a consultant to some antibiotics companies and has co-founded two companies working on other anti-infective approaches. Dr. Rice of Cleveland has also been a consultant to some pharmaceutical companies.
Doctors treating resistant strains of Gram-negative bacteria are often forced to rely on two similar antibiotics developed in the 1940s — colistin and polymyxin B. These drugs were largely abandoned decades ago because they can cause kidney and nerve damage, but because they have not been used much, bacteria have not had much chance to evolve resistance to them yet.
“In many respects it’s far worse than MRSA,” said Dr. Louis B. Rice, an infectious-disease specialist at the Louis Stokes Cleveland V.A. Medical Center and at Case Western Reserve University. “There are strains out there, and they are becoming more and more common, that are resistant to virtually every antibiotic we have.”
According to researchers at SUNY Downstate Medical Center, more than 20 percent of the Klebsiella infections in Brooklyn hospitals are now resistant to virtually all modern antibiotics. And those supergerms are now spreading worldwide.
Sep 9, 2010, 05:02 AM #25
cleaner oceans...another reason why I support Surfrider Foundation...
Alan Tice, M.D., an infectious disease specialist with the University of Hawaii, believes the answer might lie elsewhere.
I think ocean water is definitely a potential source of MRSA, Tice said. We have found in Hawaii as many as 100 MRSA colonies per liter of sea water. We think it is human activity related. When people are on the beach, rates rise in the daytime and are lower at night.
every year I am guaranteed to get swimmers ear or an ear infection. ever since I remember I've been getting them. I got this year's after surfing right after the noreaster that came threw a few weeks ago, then acquired a sinus infection after surfing earl. I remember the water being a dark brownish green color with lots of gross stuff floating around. when I got back from surfing I felt like ****, my entire body felt like it was on fire. then the other day I was walking down the street when blood started pouring out of my nose. just non-stop for about an hour down my nose/throat. then when I went to blow my nose the next day, all that would come out was a mixture of snot and blood (I know disgusting). all day It kept building up in the back of my nose, then I'd blow it out just to find more blood. I dont know if this is just allergies, or a sinus infection, because after surfing my nose hurt really badly, and was constantly itching. I don't care which it is, I know I'm not surfing in gross water anymore
Sep 9, 2010, 06:27 AM #27Junior Member
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Yuck, even though we're usually surf in front of a refinery here in TX, I have never seen a line lurker. Eighth cleanest beaches in the nation we have, and every mile of the coastline is public beach up to the vegetation or four feet above sea level, no matter who lives there. Aint y'all got Surfrider Foundation up there? I did, however, grow up swimming in Long Island Sound (Soup), and know the immunological benefits of craptastical water quality.
Sep 9, 2010, 06:57 AM #28
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Sep 9, 2010, 08:53 AM #29
all politics, all the time, everywhere one goes...USA Today reporting
The Clean Beaches Council, a non-profit organization based in Washington, D.C., today awards 53 stretches of sand with a spot on its fifth annual list of "Clean and Healthy Beaches."
The designations come just four days after a competing non-profit group, the National Healthy Beaches Campaign, based at Florida International University, unveiled its third annual list of "2004 Certified Healthy Beaches." It cited 80 beaches in 17 states and one in the U.S. Virgin Islands.
Only nine beaches are on both lists.
How can the two groups come up with such widely divergent picks?
Part of the difference is because of the criteria used by the two organizations, both of them relative newcomers that are jockeying to become the pre-eminent beach-ratings outfit. The Healthy Beaches Campaign lists 60 criteria that emphasize environmental health (nhbc.fiu.edu). The Clean Beaches Council has its own, slightly different, checklist (cleanbeaches.org/bluewave).
But there's another reason for the difference between the lists.
"It's partly a factor of who applies," says Walter McLoud, the head of the Clean Beaches Council.
Not every beach in the USA, it turns out, is considered for the lists. To win either award, beaches must fill out pages of paperwork and pay a fee. Florida International University charges $500; the Clean Beaches Council, $1,200.
Stephen Leatherman, who runs the Laboratory for Coastal Research at FIU and often appears on morning talk shows as "Dr. Beach," says the charge is "just to cover administrative costs. We're not a moneymaking operation." But he and McLoud both say that there are many clean beaches that don't make the list because they don't fill out the forms and pay the fees.
In fact, few beaches in the USA apply to both programs, and many don't apply to either.
Sep 9, 2010, 08:56 AM #30
it's all smoke & mirrors & surfers keep getting sicker
OBX flunks, VB scores like the blue lagoon.
Of course, this article is from 'The Virginian-Pilot' & they're known for flogging the VB tourism horse ever-forward.
Who do you believe....? What do you believe ...?