live aloha.......funny how we may know about the places few mainlanders have been....and you're right, it's very rare that they break....but when they do......it's like a dream. Good to know there are those who understand. I remember one of the "surf" mags had a 2 page centerfold spread of one secret spot...a few pros scored it really nice....I almost threw up when I saw the pic.....good thing they didn't tell.