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    agree with you for sure.

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    i don't care a whit what board anyone else surfs.
    however,if this thread leads anyone to consider having a board hand-shaped custom,in my opinion that would be a good thing for everyone...

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    Agreed. I hope all local shapers can prosper. I just think there are some misconceptions about both hand shaped, and mass produced boards.

    One more thing about Merrick, just because he is being used as the large example. Ive heard numerous guys on this thread mention that they dont hink Merrick shapes would work for their body type. Again, I kinda disagree. Merrick and CI has literally made a board with every size/dimension/rocker/rail combo possible. CI still makes custom boards. You can order a custom stick, and it would probably be insane....

    CIs come in all shapes and size. He makes 7'4 mini guns, he makes quads for big guys. My buddy is like 230, 6'2 and he LOVES his CI 6'5 wuad fin fish hybrid thing...

    Im just saying, there is probably a mass produced board out there that is the EXACT specs that you need, even in your local conditions. Everywhere has conditions like the midatlantic sometimes. All of socal dribbles on the beaches all summer and we have tons of off days, where its all about mushy little beach breaks and weak surf... So for those days, we have the right boards. And on the other hand, when OC MD gets good, the waves require the same high performance shortboards I ride anywhere. I use the same 6'0 squash at 48th st as I do at Blacks where its OH. So no matter where you live, you will encounter conditions that everyone else does, and you will need the right board. And everywhere, everyone else lives, will eventually need a board that suits your day to day conditions better. I spent 10 days in Maui, and needed only a Fish hybrid and a long board. Every dog has its day. Everywhere gets good. Everywhere gets bad.

    But local shapers know whats best for you as a local. If you can only afford one board all year, your local shaper will know what size, and kind of board to get you the most water time depending on who you are... If a guy says look, im a ripper who lives inland now, I only want to surf when its chest to HH, so he needs one kind of board. Then the next guy walks in and surfs the same place, but wants to be in the water, everyday, even when its small, even when its big. Each guy needs one board... Thats where local shapers come into play.

    Most people dont know what they need. A local shaper will. But if you have been surfing for a decade+, you know EXACTLY what you need, and it really doesnt matter who makes it. I know erxactly what my dimensions are and what I need.

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    And I love the hand shaper process, the anticipation. The meaning it has, because you had input into its creation...

    But on the other hand... One of the BEST experiences ive ever had in surfing, is a few birthdays ago, I think in 08, my GF at the time, now the wife, woke me up and said look, I didnt want to call Micah and ask him to shape you a board, cause although he knows how you surf cause he shapes for you all the time, I wanted YOU to get the EXACT board you want...

    So we drove to like 4 of the major shops in San Diego, and I walked down Isles, down rows in warehouses, putting my hand down each rail. Holding them all up and comparing rockers, tails, fins.... Feeling EXACTLY how thick every contour is... The weight distribution... The art... And in the end, i got THE PERFECT BOARD.... I mean, i looked at 1000s of them. And since the day I bought that board, it has been the best board ive ever had... I analyzed every aspect of what I wanted, how I surfed, where I surfed...

    No one that worked at any shops gave me any input... any help. Nothing. I just walked down the isle, looking. feeling.

    There is no feeling quite like that. You KNOW what your getting. THere is no guessing. THere is no, well I wonder EXACTLY how this custom board will feel. I can hold a board up in a store, look at it, study it, and i KNOW how i would surf it. You just KNOW>

    So, there is nothing wrong with that. Its like Christmas morning when you have a pocket full of cash with every intention of walking out of a shop with a new stick.

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    zach,you are very wise,yes,stock boards are hot,but i disagree about your point that there are boards for everyone that are stock,because i don't fit that mold.
    for example,ricky carroll is a fantastic shaper who has every imaginable design shape available on his stock brochure,but i am too big and i don't ride bigguy/fatguy/oldguy boards,plus i surf all conditions all year and ride shortboard,fish,and egg.
    no one makes a stock high-performance shortboard or fish or egg for my 6'5"/250 size that isn't somehow compromised with the bigguy/fatguy/oldguy specs fed into the design.
    working with Scott Busbey in Hatteras for a few years,now,through trial and error,we've gotten really close to completing the entire quiver to suit me.
    His boards are better for me also because he's gotten to know how I surf and how I want to surf and want to improve.Besides that all of the Merrick fish,egg and longboards are garbage pop-out shapes in comparison.You cannot compare,the Merrick fish might as well be an nsp,where an In The Eye fish is fantastic,his shortboards are just as good as Merrick's,and the guy can just shape anything to work for your specific desires.
    compare a calvani bing or jacobs to a ci longboard;it's a joke! it's not even funny! and they cost as much! a waterhog? please stop,it's painful,they are popout crap,you could get a Harbour Spherical Revolver or a Bing Good Karma for the same price! or an In The Eye egg for less money,of course. these are 'waterhogs' that you can totally rip on,awesome designs.
    Ok, if I was smaller,then Merrick High-performance shortboards are good,but that's it.
    Yesterday the waves were totally perfect,but I used to have some issue holding me back in those conditions;not anymore! I was surfing waves like I always dreamt of,like doodling in class imaginary surfs when I'm supposed to pay attention,like looking at photos in mags and imagining surfing them,and now my 6'5",230 lbs. had the perfect board for once,a custom In The Eye 6'6" double wing swallowtail quad fish with a raised deck for volume keeping the thin rails to slice through the wave.Merrick small-guy boards,ok,but all the mini-mal,longboard,retro junk is just persuasive advertising with an Al Merrick decal on it,you may as well get nsp's.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by yankee View Post
    Heck, the only thing that the surf mags ever do is flog products, that's all they really have ever done. Over 60% of the 'content' of any surf mag is ads.
    The Surfer's Journal has minimal advertisements. The inside of the front cover, both sides of the back cover and one or two other pages tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronze Whaler View Post
    The Surfer's Journal has minimal advertisements. The inside of the front cover, both sides of the back cover and one or two other pages tops.
    That's why the subscription is so much more too.
    More ads for less money or less ads for more money

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    Quote Originally Posted by beachbreak View Post
    Merrick fish might as well be an nsp,....a waterhog? please stop,it's painful,they are popout crap...
    Ive never ridden an NSP, but ive ridden a friends CI fish and and had a 6'10" waterhog a few years ago which was really fun in the right conditions. They both seems like pretyy good boards.

    Others i know who have ridden CI boards like them a lot for what they are (not a local custom)...Why do you think the CI's are so bad as to compare them to NSP?
    Last edited by scotty; Oct 29, 2010 at 06:47 PM.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by beachbreak View Post
    zach,you are very wise,yes,stock boards are hot,but i disagree about your point that there are boards for everyone that are stock,because i don't fit that mold.
    for example,ricky carroll is a fantastic shaper who has every imaginable design shape available on his stock brochure,but i am too big and i don't ride bigguy/fatguy/oldguy boards,plus i surf all conditions all year and ride shortboard,fish,and egg.
    no one makes a stock high-performance shortboard or fish or egg for my 6'5"/250 size that isn't somehow compromised with the bigguy/fatguy/oldguy specs fed into the design.
    working with Scott Busbey in Hatteras for a few years,now,through trial and error,we've gotten really close to completing the entire quiver to suit me.
    His boards are better for me also because he's gotten to know how I surf and how I want to surf and want to improve.Besides that all of the Merrick fish,egg and longboards are garbage pop-out shapes in comparison.You cannot compare,the Merrick fish might as well be an nsp,where an In The Eye fish is fantastic,his shortboards are just as good as Merrick's,and the guy can just shape anything to work for your specific desires.
    compare a calvani bing or jacobs to a ci longboard;it's a joke! it's not even funny! and they cost as much! a waterhog? please stop,it's painful,they are popout crap,you could get a Harbour Spherical Revolver or a Bing Good Karma for the same price! or an In The Eye egg for less money,of course. these are 'waterhogs' that you can totally rip on,awesome designs.
    Ok, if I was smaller,then Merrick High-performance shortboards are good,but that's it.
    Yesterday the waves were totally perfect,but I used to have some issue holding me back in those conditions;not anymore! I was surfing waves like I always dreamt of,like doodling in class imaginary surfs when I'm supposed to pay attention,like looking at photos in mags and imagining surfing them,and now my 6'5",230 lbs. had the perfect board for once,a custom In The Eye 6'6" double wing swallowtail quad fish with a raised deck for volume keeping the thin rails to slice through the wave.Merrick small-guy boards,ok,but all the mini-mal,longboard,retro junk is just persuasive advertising with an Al Merrick decal on it,you may as well get nsp's.
    this was so long winded that you lost 20 pounds in the process, thats impressive...

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by beachbreak View Post
    if they had always been machine-shaped they wouldn't be any good because the machine bases them off of the past 50 years of trial-and-error hand-shaping success,so i can't answer your question,but if your premise were possible,then,no,no one would care,and no one would shape by hand.
    I call BS. Skis and snowboards are all machine/factory produced. They continue to evolve and improve. The early snowboards and skis were handmade, and once machines took over they evolved exponentially. Parabolic skis and snowboards were computer designed and revolutionized both sports, and they're now all made in China.