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  1. #11
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    wow, awesome write-up. great job articulating the pros/cons of the board. i've never ridden a quad and after reading that, i felt like i ahve

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    Quote Originally Posted by mOtion732 View Post
    wow, awesome write-up. great job articulating the pros/cons of the board. i've never ridden a quad and after reading that, i felt like i ahve
    I agree. really well done. felt like I was right out there with you. thanks. look forward to reading about the next 13 days.

  3. #13
    zach, digging the review. Matches up with what I've heard about quads: tougher (or maybe just different than a thruster) to get vertical and swing it around on the top turns since you're lacking that center (pivot) fin.

    Interesting observations about the take-off, bottom turn and rail-to-rail surfing.
    Can't wait to hear more.

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    Here are a few photos that I took of the board. I cannot find this model online anywhere. Not sure if it is a custom spin off of the Flyer II, but it is a flyer F






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    Day Two: Thursday, November 11, 2010

    Surf Report: 3-4 ft and clean. light onshore (2-4kt)
    Location: Beach Break. Same as yesterday... Slightly smaller today, chest to HH and cleaner.

    Total waves: About 15 again.

    I applied a little different technique than yesterday based on my initial findings. The faces and sections were cleaner and it was less wedgy. More long lined up walls with makable sections...

    I was able to get a little smaller turning radius by keeping my center of gravity over the board as I did steep turns. You can't really go free weight and lay back in your turns... No need for arm digs, cause when those side fins release, if will squirel, so I had much better results by doing a little bitter longer turns, with a very commited line. Today I didnt lose the board because I didnt try and tweak the ankles and pull the tail around...

    I got vertical on the face more today, and initiated the top turn about 2/3 of the way up, which worked great. Because the turns take a little longer and are more hesitated, it left a nice spray off the top by the time the board was turned back down... You just have to compensate your turns... You can't try and pop your fins out the top as much, you just turn sooner and they hug the top, never releasing but keeping all your speed.

    I still had trouble with high steep lines, you have to take a wider, longer bottom turn around sections, or stay horizontal and float over the...

    As I pumped on the face, trying to stay high, it was pushing me down, want to decent more.

    Day two Pros: Getting the feel for it more. The fins are actually helpful if used properly. I landed a nice floater with my fins dropping out into the flats first (landed it backwards), and they caught and swung around without tossing me. The 4 fins are VERY stable when all engauged... But they just dont rotate quickly... You get a nice spray if you stay upright and more vertical in your stance, keeping your center of gravity towards the middle of the board...

    Cons: Still had to grab rail on a few long cutbacks. I pigdogged a backside barrel today and the thing eventually pushed me out doggy door style in the closeout section... I grabbed rail trying to keep a really tight horiztonal line and the fins caught and pushed me more towards the beach.... Speed off the top was lacking unless all four fins were engauged....

    Over all, the performance was similar to yesterday. Got a barrel today, and I feel like the board blew it for me, but It was a fast tube section.... Maybe i just angled it wrong but the 4 fins definately didnt want to stay up on the face, they want to catch and drive down....

    The board did have really nice results on the smaller set waves. It held its line and maintained speed (mostly cause of the tail and overall foam volume), but that was nice...

    Hoping for some different conditions tomorrow. Maybe a little more racey. I want to try and get some more radical turns done off steeper sections to see what happens....

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    great writing, zach...i wonder if some of your trouble w/ getting vert isn't caused by the width of the board, rather than the fin set up. wider boards don't generally like tight radius turns (like you don't know that ) (which is why you feel like you have to grab the rail on some cutbacks). the flyer f is a pretty wide board in the stock dims. the only alteration i can see in the pics from stock to the quad is the addition of a swallow tail & 4 fins instead of 3. (btw, according to the ci website, the flyer quad is custom only).

    this is very entertaining for me, b/c a lot of what you're writing about are the reasons i've found myself back on hp thrusters after years of riding just about anything but (& why i don't like quads). i will always love bonzers in clean, lined up point-style surf, but for every day nj beach breaks, the neutrality of the thruster suits my style better. bonzers (being based off the single fin) also like longer, more drawn-out turns, so if you're looking to project down the line, they're great. not so much for quick direction changes (they can do them well, but i've found are more sensitive about rear foot placement).

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    Quote Originally Posted by njsurfer42 View Post
    great writing, zach...i wonder if some of your trouble w/ getting vert isn't caused by the width of the board, rather than the fin set up. wider boards don't generally like tight radius turns (like you don't know that ) (which is why you feel like you have to grab the rail on some cutbacks). the flyer f is a pretty wide board in the stock dims. the only alteration i can see in the pics from stock to the quad is the addition of a swallow tail & 4 fins instead of 3. (btw, according to the ci website, the flyer quad is custom only).

    this is very entertaining for me, b/c a lot of what you're writing about are the reasons i've found myself back on hp thrusters after years of riding just about anything but (& why i don't like quads). i will always love bonzers in clean, lined up point-style surf, but for every day nj beach breaks, the neutrality of the thruster suits my style better. bonzers (being based off the single fin) also like longer, more drawn-out turns, so if you're looking to project down the line, they're great. not so much for quick direction changes (they can do them well, but i've found are more sensitive about rear foot placement).
    I absolutely agree that the overall shape and foam is the main factor with the vertical application. Its just that the quad fins dont help the situation. I feel like that middle fin would allow me to push harder and turn sharper cause that middle fin is catching. I can feel the side fins pop out right in the point of the bottom turn where I primarily coil up and get all my power for projecting back up. Then it is basically the same idea on the top turn. The four fins dont make as much difference on the top turn, which is why i figured it out today, you can just keep centered and throw all your weight right on the top of the tail, rather than cutting the lip with the rail, you just hit the bottom side of the tail, almost lined up perfectly parallel to the wave...

    But I completely agree with your logic there, which is exactly why I think this thing is going to kill it on the reefs. More straight gradual lines to play with. More open barrel placements. On beach breaks, if you pig dog, you can line it up that way, hit the bottom, but then you gotta pump real fast right down the line to get enough speed to come out... The reefs will allow you to line up in the pocket and lock in.... I always find myself trying to dig my ass or arms in the back of a reef barrel so I can keep slow. My thrusters just promote flying out of them... So where I usually need to hit the breaks real hard, this things should line up better.

    Its a fun board though and the quality feels very high. For a thicker shortboard than im used to, it is very light (which could be a problem with torque)

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    Quote Originally Posted by zach619 View Post
    For a thicker shortboard than im used to, it is very light (which could be a problem with torque)
    yea, the UL glassing on the CI's is very light...i'm not a fan of it myself, at least not on standard poly boards. i have 2 already, a 6'4" ft knox, which i got in early august just before my trip to the maldives & it's fairly beat up already (granted, it gets heavy use when ever the surf gets above shoulder high) & a 6'0" dumpster diver in eps that i got in late august. i ride this the rest of the time (it's a great 90% board for jersey) & it's holding up well.
    both are UL glassed, but the eps is looking to be more resistant to pressure dents & such. the UL poly has just taken a beating...multiple dings have been fixed, the deck w/out wax looks like a crappy dirt road w/ potholes all over it & the bottom took some abuse from the airline on the way home...what look to be suitcase corners gouged a line down the length of the board (don't worry, i will not be trying to sell this board here!).
    i just ordered 2 more...a 6'8" step-up version of the ft. knox in poly w/ heavier glassing & a 6'3" ft. knox in eps. we'll see how they hold up when they get here in about 6 weeks.

    back to the topic at hand...i'm curious about the full dims of the flyer & how they compare to your usual hp shortie.

  9. #19
    Zach,
    In my humble opinion this board is basically a modified fish without the rounded nose, I can't tell from the photos how much rocker it has or how the rails are set up but from your comments it's almost identical to a fish performance wise. It's sucks that you don't have a thruster option to play with just to see what a difference it would make.

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    Day 3: Friday, November 12, 2010
    Condtions: Same as yesterday, no wind today. chest-HH, 3-4ft. Mid tide rising.

    I really got the hang of the board now. I have learned to really line the tail up under the lip and punch up into it vertically. The fins catch, hold and land well.

    This thing is REALLY fun backside. Im goofy and have been going left mostly the past two days. There were some sick right hand walls today and since most of the torque and power on a backside roundhouse is on your toeside, it makes the initial turn really easy/ You can really lay into it and blast some spray, then when you finish the turn, you are basically doing a frontside off the lip, and the force of the oncoming section bounces you right back down the lines. This is where the quad fins paid off. My front side turns were much sharper today, I have the idea down now...

    The only real problem I had today was taking off on a really steep face, almost inverted, usually I can drop sideways on my rails and catch while im heading down the line. Since the boards fins want to descend, it pushed me straight down the face and the fins released. I got worked. So, I knew to take off deep and backdoor it the next time... Only bad part of it today...

    Had about 12 waves today. I was out an hour. Pretty damn crowded...

    Good though....

    Ohh and the exact dims are:

    6'0 x 19.5 x 2.5.... Slight rocker in the front. Regular shortboard kind of rocker on the back...

    I am 5'9, 165ish.

    My normal shortboard dims are: 5'11 - 6'0 all x18.5 x2.25

    BTW: I have owned numerous fish and fish hybrids, so I am familiar with how the rail volume and turn is different. So most of my observations will be concerning the fins, although I have tried to comment in each area where I felt foam volume was a factor, I have and will continue to try and identify that as I report.

    Forcast: 3-4 and holding, increasing sunday. So sunday afternoon I may be able to test this thing at a different venue.