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Dec 2, 2010, 02:26 AM #11
Dec 2, 2010, 02:52 AM #12Member
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this is sorta off topic of the thread but big wave surfers (the cream of the crop ones) are getting better at maneuvering than the used to be able to, but i agree with everything else you said
Dec 2, 2010, 03:16 AM #13Senior Member
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Big wave surfing has it's appeal to me because I have an idea what those guys have to put up with in those conditions. To an ordinary person, they may be impressed with the wave size, but they have no idea whatsoever about the paddle outs, rips, long hold-downs, taking a set on a head, etc.
I believe most of the big wave riders rip on regular surf though, and get into the big wave thing just for the challenge. That one big wave rider chick, Maya Gabeira (sp?) can't really surf that well though, but she has a hot body so it's ok
Dec 2, 2010, 03:28 AM #14
I completely agree with the respect factor of big wave surfing... That makes those guys INCREDIBLE watermen. The only big wave rider I know personally is an ex-navy seal... He surfs pretty wack on a head high day at blacks, but I have seen him charge 40ft Todos before without blinking... But again, he is an amazing WATERMEN, his surfing style leaves a ton to be desired....
Big wave riders put their lives at risk Every Session. That is the credit I give them... But think about it... You never see Greg Long and all those other guys competing in any normal contest... But to your point, there are very few "pros" who would take on Mavericks on its heaviest day...
Two different beasts, two different sports almost... But again, Ive seen way too many big wave riders who can barely turn, but they have the stamina and balls to charge big waves... Big waev riding is all about the drop.... But then what are you gonna do? ya know?
Its just funny that "THE BILLABONG XXL CHALLENGE" is the only thing that gets annual play on the mainstream.. And that is simply because Joe The Plumber can sit in his house in Indiana, and say, WOW MAN, THATS A BIG AS$ WAVE!!!! THOSE GUYS ARE NUTS! Any normal person can see a giant 50 foot wall of water and be impressed, but 2 seconds later, the guy pops off the shoulder, gets picked up by the Ski, and already Joe the Plumber has changed the channel....
Last edited by zach619; Dec 2, 2010 at 03:30 AM.
With snowboarding, I spent a week in Montana visiting my sister and was riding blacks by the end of the week.
I find the slow progression of surfing to be very rewarding.
Dec 2, 2010, 01:08 PM #16
I'm a lifelong surfer and avid sonwboarder and I'm going to disagree a little bit on what Zach said. It's true that learning to snowboard is easy but there are aspects of it that are very difficult like halfpipe. One of the reasons I only ride pipes is because it's so much like surfing with all kinds of subtleties in the act of riding it. You just can't bomb a pipe,you need to have the basics mastered before you even try tricks.
I agree that it takes years to master surfing ON A SHORTBOARD but many people can hop on a longboard and be up and riding the same day. IMO that is one of the big factors leading to overcrowding.
Dec 2, 2010, 03:21 PM #17
I have to disagree a little too.. me and my friend started surfing together and we were both able to take a line on our shortboards by the second day.. but skateboarding.. I have tried that multiple times now and I can hardly ollie, I have to say personally atleast skateboarding is probably the hardest sport out of it all
Dec 2, 2010, 09:07 PM #18
Yeah, I never skated that much as a kid, but I picked up my friends board after 12 years of never touching one and was able to ollie up onto an ollie box after like 3 tries. So, the basics of skating are not hard. I learned the ollie as a kid in one day. No lie.
The difference between skating and surfing, is that you can skate 365, 24/7 if you want to. You can line up the same stair case, the same rail, the same trick and go after it like 10,000 times until you land it. That is weak sauce.
In surfing, you have to wait for conditions, paddle out, get yourself setup for the barrel etc. You cant go out every day and surf. There are too many variables. One day, it will be barreling all day, then the next 10 session are all mushy faces, different wind, different lines.
I snowboard about once a year. I go to big bear. Ive snowboarded a total of about 20 times in my WHOLE life. And at big bear, I can LAND a 360 over a table top. I hit all the jibs. I take the high lines up on the sidebanks... Im no pro, but the fact that I can do 180 grabs over little jumps and go over all the big table tops and stuff and land simple tricks just makes it seem a little too easy. Im not out doing flips and 720s, but the fact that I can do those things and I only go once a year. Makes me think its much more about coordination and balance and just being an athelete. I mean, you go out and surf 20 times, you probably cant even cut back yet, ya know?>
But you know what im saying. You can surf everday for 2 years, and you probably will not be landing 360 anything...
I totally respect guys at the top level of snowboarding. ITS FUN... Im just saying, and as$ hole with coordination can go out a few times and not look like a kook on a snowboard. On my 3rd of 4th time on the mountains, I was doing 180s, 360s, hitting jumps and stuff... Its pretty easy for anyone who is an athelete. Im not saying I can do much... But skating is the same. I learned the "ollie" in a day, and in general, if you ride around with skaters and can do an ollie anda kick flip and hop all the curbs while you are street skating, you are no longer a kook.
To be able to go from never snowboarding or skating to a non-kook in less than a week in either sport just makes it not that tough to me... thats all im saying...
Its like BMX and sh** too. Are you kidding me? You give me one of those little bikes, a ramp and 2 weeks, and its a pretty simple idea. The motion, the movements, the physics of it all is simple. Ride bike fast at ramp, spin bike in air. Hold on to handle bars, keep feet on peddles. Land.... Not a hard concept...
Try teaching a novice surfer how to punt a front side air... I will give you a year to "teach" them and they still couldnt do it... Surfing has too many variables...
Mountains never change... The pipe never changes. Tabletops dont move when you are about to jump them, Jips arent moving so you have to aim at them... Everything in Skating and snowboarding is stationary, thus making it MUCH easier to attack as an athelete...
Can you imagine, if we just had a wave machine, that had the same barrel, then the same face on it, then the same section. The same wave, OVER AND OVER AND OVER...
We would all be kelly slater by next year. We would be doing insane things if we had the same conditions, over and over and over....
Yout skateboard mini-ramps dont move!! ya feel me!
And yeah, I stood up and road down the line by the end of my first day of surfing on a shortboard, BUT THAT AINT SURFING!
Im talking about cutting back, floating, all those things. That takes months and months of surfing everyday to really dial in.
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Dec 2, 2010, 09:38 PM #19
all sports have their shredders. and zach, no offense, but big bear is basically like surfing in va beach in the summer. anyone CAN do it. but to say mountains don't change? you clearly haven't spent any time in the backcountry or even in-bounds after a huge dump at a place like jackson or telluride or taos. it's just different. some guys can rip on a wave and some guys can rip in the snow. some lucky guys can do both...
Dec 2, 2010, 09:59 PM #20Senior Member
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surfing is hard, snowboarding is hard...
espn doesn't give a f*ck, and they made a mockery of the best surfer of all time. f*ck em