Golfing!

Complete hyperbole, and read back to spongedude's post about false dichotomy. Some things are easier to control than others. Pretty easy to NOT play golf.....

BTW. Caught it pretty good for a long lunch today, shallow, hollow and fast... creased board.....

 

Modern golf courses have always been seen as having a hugely negative environmental impact. But just like farming, there are ways to minimize that, and at the same time, improve the quality the product. "Post-modern" golf courses, for lack of a better term, are increasingly environmentally friendly. There are currently about 150 golf courses in New Jersey alone that are actively working with Audubon International to change their facility's operations. In some cases, they're actually improving environmental quality. I know this because I used to work for one.

So... just like a lot of other things, thankfully, times are changing. There's no reason why you can't have both.

 

It's pretty easy to kill yourself...



I am with LBCrew. I know quite a few environmentally friendly golf courses. Even the worst golf courses are worlds better than most urban storm water drainage programs.

 

Hahaha, fair enough on the killing oneself point. Great illustration, made me laugh.
Sure, golf courses are getting better. Sure they are better than _________ (fill in the blank with some comparatively hyper-industrialized example)--I agree.
Still, no golf for me. Going to paddle out after work on this board I made from third-use plastic bags. You don't want to know what the second use was, let's just say it serves as somewhat of a bonding agent when making it into a board and you end up not needing wax after the curing process. btw, I have Bull Mastiff puppies for sale..... Later.

 

what you talkin' 'bout, willis?

yes, because education is clearly bad.

 

bon mot...or not?

you are making erock's point. not all food comes from huge corporate enterprises, users of pesticides, or those that create runoff issues. in fact, the new tendency is to follow land contours more naturally because doing so reduces other problems, such as insect predation, erosion, runoff and other conditions that led to water fouling and the great dustbowl of the early 1900's. again, you makes yer choices and lives with yer consequences.

 

change of course...or change, of course

indeed crew. a main part of ag education now is dealing with minimizing effects on other environments because even the corporate farmer knows that polluted water, erosion and species habitat changes are more expensive in the long run and therefore detrimental to his bottom line. e.g., kill off the birds and more bugs eat yer stuff. ...pay now or pay (more) later.

 

gay thread for all the SURF lately

 

I am glad that you beat me to it. I was just going to ask you if you were paddling out on your "environmentally friendly board" made with recycled balsa wood, no glassing or coat that you sanded down with your home made sand-paper, with bees wax on top of the board for grip. And of course your hand-woven hemp leash that you tie around your leg... And on top of that, I am sure that you walked to the beach to keep your eco-footprint as small as possible.... And I am sure you give up surfing in the winter time beacuse there are zero "completely"" enviro-friendly wetsuits, although Padagonia is pretty close....

=) I am kidding of course...

Im just saying, there are far worse things than golf courses impacting the ocean... Look at what happens all along both coasts when storms come and the water becomes lethal... lets focus on those things, that impact us in a huge way, year after year after year.

Just having this conversation made me think about some things... So, all my boards are made of foam, fiberglass and pollutants... My wax is made in a huge manufacturing plant that is hurting the environment... My leash was made in thailand (probably involving child labor), my wetsuit is also completely unfriendly as far as the way it was made and manufactured. My fins are also FCS, but made in thailand....

So, I think that on a day to day basis, all of us surfers aren't doing a very good job being "responsible" with the environment... So lets look at ourselves before picking on guys walking around on golf courses..... Because none of us could get through the winter, or even paddle into a wave using "natural" materials... Its flat out impossible... do dont be a hyprocrite unless you truely do paddle out in your hand woven hemp baordies, on your wooden baord with no glass on it, with no leash and walk home to your solar powered beach bungalow where you boil and drink your own recycled toilet water.

 

mmmmmmmm

c'mon, man...can't you just take am extreme one-sided indefensible but overly-aggressively asserted position? what's with the perspective and stuff? yer harshin' my argument buzz

(just thought i'd quote you out of context.)

 

Fact is I'm all for water quality improvement, but until the storm drains don't empty into the lineup directly from the street, golf courses are down my list of water pollution villians.

 

if you like to golf and are concerned about the environment then why not do the research to find the golf courses working to do better in that area ?
not all golf courses are bad polluters
http://www.greenopia.com/USA/news.aspx?ID=216

 

Done with this thread, but the pressing probblem with golf courses, not so much here but south and out west, is the vast amount of water resources it takes to keep them green. I mean really, lush green golf oasis's are not meant to placed in deserts especially in states with a limited fresh water supply, but i digress.