mini sim's sizing

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by leethestud, Apr 6, 2012.

  1. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    Hey dudes I have decided to pull the trigger on a mini simmons for the summer months and I am a little hung up on sizing. My go-to shorty is a 6'4, but I hear these things should be ridden over a foot shorter. I am 6'0" tall, 190-195 lbs, proficient surfer. Recommendations? I was thinking something like 5'6 x 21 x 3? Better to go thicker and wider to stay short?
     
  2. NJGOOFYFT

    NJGOOFYFT Active Member

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    Feb 14, 2012
    What are the dims on your normal 6'2? A mini Simmons would be a great choice for the summer months.
     

  3. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    I usually ride 6'4 x 20 x 2.5 or something similar enough
     
  4. a2tall

    a2tall Well-Known Member

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    Aug 7, 2011
    Hey Leet, im 6'6, 190 i ride a 5'6 x 22 1/2 x 2 3/4

    21 " wide is at the low end of the spectrum on simmons, usually they run around 22-23 1/2" wide point

    5'6 is a great length you wont get the boaty feel of the nose since wide, u have also noticed when riding a few different ones, for east coast at least, do not get the twins all the way back like traditional simmons, 1" from the tail is just to drivey, stick to minimum of 5" from the tail but i like 6" with a 1 1/8 in from rail and a 3/16" toe in. i dont like the feel of parallel to stringer twins, they are to drivey and no release. i would say go 5'6 x 22 x 2 7/8. plenty of float and volume but not on the to fat feel either. just my .02..
     
  5. JTS

    JTS Well-Known Member

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    Feb 21, 2010
    Lee –
    I’ll defer to A2tall since he is a shaper and rides MS’s

    The size dilemma is difficult, personal preference really comes into play – do you like the minimum board you can get away with or do you like a bit of extra rail line or volume?

    I picked up a Ghostbuster from Larry Mabile late last year – it is a twinzer with the double bump which pulls in the tail (10” across tail block) I am 200 lbs – and much older @ 53, I talked to Larmo and he suggested a 5’11 x 23 x 3 for me. Fast, fun ,definitely a different animal to ride, don’t think I have been on a board this short in 20 years, felt like a kneeboard first time I took it out.

    Width helps to plane out quickly, these are small wave boards so duck diving isn’t really a consideration, IMO definitely don’t go below 22W, best to stay 22 ½ - 23 , length 5’6? maybe a 5’8” that would be 8” shorter than your DD, and 4” shorter than you are tall.

    A2tall's #'s look pretty good -
    Who are you looking to get the board from?
    Jim
     
  6. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    I'm 6"1' 190/195 lbs and I ride them around 5"6'.
     
  7. a2tall

    a2tall Well-Known Member

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    Aug 7, 2011
    As Jim said, it is very preference oriented with anyboard. just other people around your size like xyz does not mean you will. it may be a good starting point or it may be your magic board. im 6'6 but my standard shortboard is 6'2 just because that i what i enjoy, while others at 6'6 may like a 6'6 shortboard. ect ect.. hope all this helps
     
  8. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    ok thanks for that, it does help. Zippy, how wide and thick is that 5'6?

    located in va beach...

    I have a birthday next month... and between you and me.... I saw my girl grab a custom order form from WRV last weekend when I stopped in to grab some wax.

    If she falls though ... lol... I might look at Austin, I have seen a bunch of his around the beach so I think that means they work. A little rich for my blood but I would just want plain white no gloss, so we will see.

    Hell, might even look to craigslist.
     
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  9. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Hmmm, not sure of the thickness. This was a mini sim that I shaped for myself and I never used calipers to check the thickness I just went by feel. It came from an outline template i printed from the net. I now ride a bing dharma quad that is a lot like the mini sim just a bit more performance oriented. I have a 5"6' dharma that I ride in the summer chest high and under and a 6"0' that I ride on bigger days and in the winter with the all the rubber. Bringing both to el Salvador in a week so hopefully they will work well on those point breaks.
     
  10. TBrown

    TBrown Active Member

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    Jul 27, 2011
    Hey man, saw your looking at a mini sims for the summer. I have a great one that id be willing to sell. I'm 6'0 and 190 and love the size of this one. Its 5'10 by 22 by 2 3/4. Its made by verner out of sana cruz. They carry the vernor line in freedom surf shop. Vernor is known for making amazing mini sims, been doing it way longer than the returning fad its become lately. Mine is in REALLY good shape. Comes with 100 dollar future controller fins which work amazing in there. Board Looks almost brand new. This one sells for $780 plus fins at freedom and id sell it for 400. Lemme know what you think.
     
  11. JTS

    JTS Well-Known Member

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    Feb 21, 2010
    Good luck in El Sal,
    I went last Summer, first time I was there. Got some excellent waves, big, clean, long....good times.
    Jim
     
  12. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Thx, going with 2 friends, should be fun.
     
  13. TBrown

    TBrown Active Member

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    Jul 27, 2011
    Btw, I've had two wrv mini sims and would not get another from them. I don't believe they really understand how to make that shape work.
     
  14. jimmycrab

    jimmycrab Well-Known Member

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    Sep 29, 2008
    im about your size and went with a 5'8 22.5 2 3/4. twinzer set up w/ more of a mabile ghostbuster template, like JTS board. its a simmons inspired shape, not a traditional, I think you need tweak the shape alittle for east coast waves, i even added a nubster trailer fin box for a little more bite.
     
  15. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Yeah I would call my Simmons a Simmons inspire shape as well. Not a true Simmons other than the outline and had none of the bottom contours that make one a true Simmons .
     
  16. JTS

    JTS Well-Known Member

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    Feb 21, 2010
    WRV wouldn't be my first choice for a Mini-Simms. I also think that the MS works better on the EC tweaked a bit from the classic recipe, something like the Bing Puck or Dharma, Larmo Ghostbuster, Slop Rod by Tommy Moore, plenty of good guys making them. Jim Dunlop out of Jacksonville has some good looking EPS ones, plus a couple guys that post on here.
    Definitely get in touch with some of the guys shaping them. I've found most shapers are more than happy to talk designs - it is your money get what you want
    Good luck
    Jim
     
  17. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Lee - i've shaped one and ridden a few mini sims.

    21" is not wide enough IMO. These things are all about planing and i'd go 22" wide for than insane glide feel. I think 3" thick will feel "corky" with a massive amount of volume you aren't used to, and dont need or want. Remember, once you're up and riding the width is providing the planing, not the thickness. I'd go 2 5/8" thick at the most - at 5'6" and 22" wide, this board will still float you more than other short boards you ride, and will paddle into any 1-2 foot wave you'd ever care to ride.
     
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  18. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    So I have decided to shape it myself. I have screwed the pooch on glassing before and wasted a deck so I'll probably get it glassed professionally.

    Thanks for the sizing tips, i'm glad I asked. Wider, shorter, but not much thicker.

    From what I understand, you start with a long board blank and take the middle section that is really flat. Any suggestions on which long board blank is best for this?
     
  19. Zippy

    Zippy Well-Known Member

    Nov 16, 2007
    Yeah definitely don't make it too thick. If you want more thickness under your chest you can leave that but pinch the rails a bit to give it some bite in turns. Make sure you thin the tail way down, wiith a tail that wide you don't need much foam back there. I just used a standard 6'0" fishblank with whatever rocker it came with. Be sure to post a picture of it, looking forward to seeing it.
     
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  20. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Lee - Great idea shaping it yourself. Dont get a longboard blank...US Blanks makes a 6'2A fish blank. I've driven down myself and picked them up from the WRV factory near Kitty Hawk on the right side just a mile or two before the bridge.

    Cut about 4" off the back, and 4" off the front of the 6'2A blank and you will have a 5'6" starting point with very flat bottom rocker. You will need to do some extra thinning of the front and rear of the cut blank a bit - take this out of the deck so you arent cutting rocker back in.

    This is all just a rough starting point - but will set you on track for a sick ass mini sim.
     
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