Flat Spell

I'm concerned that this whole thing starts a precedent. I'm actually moving back to my hometown, and my favorite beach break is running into problems with access.

http://jacksonville.com/community/n...e-access-restricted-areas-beach-huguenot-park

 

Andrew, you are having a hard time shedding your overt elitism. Exemplified mostly by your categorical minimization of any factor that does not support your disposition. There will be no common ground when your ilk continues this type of narrative. And, contrary to your warped sense of what a free market is, it does not include oppressive regulation. It's like taking a body of water away from an area then blaming the people who live there for not learning to swim.
You have a problem with the early OBX residents shooting birds "for sport"? I don't suppose they ate any of them, do you? Regardless, what does that have to do with today? Also, you have a problem with altering genetic expression? Are you anti-evolution also? Plus, as far as turtles are concerned--they make a nest, lay eggs in it AND ABANDON IT. Also, why are other indigenous species being culled by the rangers?

Let's also break down your claim about "a FEW bait stores will see their margins drop" (this by the way is exemplary of your minimization of any factor that counters your ultimate agenda). So, a few "bait stores." First, they are called tackle shops--they sell much more than bait and provide a much larger service than just selling bait and there are many more of them than a few. To you, they are the only ones affected but I am saying you are horribly wrong. There are hotels, motels and rental properties leased by the fishermen--they rely on them as their first injection of money after a long off season so they can afford to stay open during the peak season. There are also fishing guides, who the fishermen hire to take them out for something other than surf fishing during their trip. Again, these fishermen provide their first injection of revenue for the year that will help them keep their boats repaired, pay their insurance, captains license dues and hire mates to help out on charters. Then there are the restaurants where these fishermen eat and the gas stations where they buy gas and the grocery stores where they buy groceries. Are you starting to get the big picture yet? These same fishermen also bring their families with them. The folks in their families who do not fish go out and spend money at the restaurants and boutiques--they travel out of Hatteras village into Buxton and Avon to shop around there too. Plus, let's not forget the NC ferry system which has seen ridership drop during the bad economy--they are now having to raise fares to account for the shortfall, doesn't look like they will be getting that early season injection of cash either. We are talking about an already weak and fragile economy that is very vulnerable to the current economic climate without even taking the enviro push into account. To many of these small businesses, a non-existent spring fishing season could be the difference between staying open or going bankrupt. See, I'm talking about a lot more than an few human beings being affected by literally a FEW birds.

On another note, I'm sure there are scientists everywhere who might agree with you and the course of action you support. But, that's also how scientists justify their jobs in many cases. It seems like some of them don't feel like they are doing their job unless they are rallying around some group of the great unwashed to change their lives. And do you think people are buying your "I advocate for personal education" lie? Nothing you have written supports this claim, quite the opposite. This is where it comes down to the fact that this very much is a Blue Collar vs White Collar issue--you are just too blinded by your arrogance and self-importance to take a step back and try to understand how your ingrained disposition and prejudice comes across in your discourse.

And, for the record, it's "aforementioned" not "a fore mentioned."

 

Did you get that peer reviewed at school?

 

Mayh home skooolin tawt meh sum sterfs. Deh towled meh I ursed "also" tuh mech. 'pose deh whar reght 'bowt dert.

 

I see. I do see a lot of "also" now that I skim through your nonsense...

 

Whew...what a flat spell we have had lately

 

E rock is right. The fish and wild life service are trying to change access to assateague va because of the birds. It all boils down to 2 things. They need to 1. Open there mind up 2. Put some common sense in there.

 

Wow, delusion about what is going on with a population that has increased over a hundred million in the last hundred years and its effect on the coast here in the east has led to complete f---ing denial. I'm done arguing reason so I will just this, you know who you are, look up the word logic and apply it to your argument...How would the obx look if there wasn't some form of protection afforded it in the 20th century?

 

do i see waves in the forecast? uh yesssssssss! on my days off... and may be getting a ride down to the outer banks. day instantly better.

 

Erock, How many guides take fisherman to the point?I also fail to see how beach closings impact fishing charters? If you ever picked up a history book regarding the Outer Banks, pertaining to the 19th and early 20th century, you would know that very few shorebirds were eaten. The birds were shot indiscriminately for sport for many years. My point was to highlight the historical dismissal of many avian species. Birds and other animals generally take on the flavor of their food..ie fish. Yes, there are other industries which will derive income from the fishermen. But how much revenue?And how significantly is the income impacted from a temporary beach closure? I would be interested in seeing some quantified numbers. I empathize with the local business owners; but I honestly feel that this issue is being blown out of proportion on both sides.The beach closures are just one facet of a weak economy. Pragmatism and a realization that there is a retraction in the economy to me, sounds more plausible. Scientists have a duty to advocate, and to present data which supports their theories, or research to the public. Especially, when the species longevity depends upon it. Please post some hard numbers, and/or studies, which can support your assertions.There is probably a reason why many scientists make similar statements paralleling mine....Biased studies are a problem in academia; which is why something called the peer reviewal process is utilized, along with citations. I think you are confused regarding stress induced genetic expression. Google the subject.There are specific time windows when marine turtles will nest; the nesting process necessitates significant energy output. Turtles which are forced to make numerous attempts to nest have a decreased chance of survival. The ecological information is all found on the marvelous internet, or in a Library.I apologize if you perceive my statements as arrogant; the information speaks for itself. Thank you for the spell check; you would make my high school English teacher proud.

 

So a biased news source should be used to substantiate an opinion? I am asking for actual facts or studies..

 

I just did a quick peer review of your posts and find you to be quite a pompous d1ckhole. I would cut you off so quick if I heard you talking like that out in the lineup. I wouldn't even feel bad about it either. Cause really, what are you going to do about it...start a discourse about the proper surf etiquette of humans in a marine environment? I'm going to go out on a limb and say you drive a volkswagon, use apple products, wear slim wire glasses, ride something big and retro, and eat tofu. Don't lie, seriously how many did I get right?

 

YES!! I SEE WAVES IN THE FORECAST! YESSS!!! haha guys above here are getting way out of hand. you're not gonna change anything over this thread. lets get out and surf this week.

 

island free press gives both sides,up to the minute,and unbiased,but you won't read it or listen,because it's your duty as a scientist to know everything instead of actually learn something by listening,or answering my previous questions you choose to ignore about buffer zones and the most recent development regarding success nearer to human activity.you are a lying,ignorant,self-righteous fool.man's wisdom is folly,andrew.

 

arguing on the internet is for kooks...

so anyway anyone think theres gunna be waves tommorow morning in OC,MD…Surfline was calling for today to be 2-3 and that def didnt happen

 

Weak little wave today but felt great getting wet today.

 

whats the link for maryland that looks like this…
http://www.ndbc.noaa.gov/data/Forecasts/FZUS52.KMFL.html

 

Please post the relevant studies? There are many variables which will impact nesting success. But science is clear on the stress induced factors, facing both birds, and reptiles.

 

for the millionth time,andrew,ALL THE INFORMATION CAN BE FOUND AT ISLAND FREE PRESS,CURRENT STUDIES,INFO,LAWS,PENDING LAWSUITS,BILLS,SCIENTIFIC RESEARCH of which you are uninformed.they give your side's argument in full,and it's a bunch of junk science,as are you at this point.