Sal Masekela / Slater Interview

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by Erock, Sep 25, 2012.

  1. motivated2surf

    motivated2surf Well-Known Member

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    Dec 10, 2009
    Surfing all over the world helps but didn't this Slater person you're talking about surf ****ty Florida waves.
     
  2. 252surfer

    252surfer Well-Known Member

    Dec 1, 2010
    Yea i understand that. those guys actually kicks ass in comps (well maybe not dane because he doesn't really care if he wins or loses but that's a different story) i will never be as good as anyone of those guys because i surf in VB, i am going to college, and barely travel because i don't want my beater car to breakdown haha. but you know what, i bet i love surfing just as much they do and get just as stoked as those guys. I hope i can make it to indo or mexico just once in my life. It doesn't hurt to dream my man. no matter what you say, those guys must have the most incredible lives ever.
     

  3. Swellinfo

    Swellinfo Administrator

    May 19, 2006
    Other sports generate money for events through ticket sales and tv coverage (which are supported through sponsors). Ticket sales doesn't seem like a possibility, but TV coverage is already gaining some ground and
    will probably be more and more likely as time goes on.

    But, as I mentioned previously, in these other main stream sports still have big headlining sponsors, and its becoming more or more present. The NBA is in talks about having sponsored Jersey's in the near future.

    What is the downside of having lead sponsors of the events as long as there is a non partisan ASP clearly defines structure and rules?
     
  4. cresto4

    cresto4 Well-Known Member

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    Aug 19, 2010
    dream on dude, you've got the right attitude. humility will get you far. and you're right - they don't have a monopoly on stoke. but i also think your life (well, actually my life) is the most incredible life ever because it's YOURS (mine) to make of it what you will. try not to romanticize their lives too much -- everyone's got problems (look what happened to AI). just figure out what matters to you and where you want to be and make it happen. it might not happen overnight, but life is short and we're all gonna be dead in the blink of an eye so why not spend your time doing what you love with the people you love in a beautiful place?
     
  5. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    cackedinri & Micah, you both bring up really interesting points I want to add to... but it's going to have to wait until tomorrow. I just stopped working to eat quickly, then it's back to dealing with crazy Californian workaholics (no offense zaGaffer) who can never seem to remember it's 3 hours later here for me.....
     
  6. 252surfer

    252surfer Well-Known Member

    Dec 1, 2010
    Amen man. that's all that matters in the end. couldn't have put it better. hopefully we get some swell soon. i wanna ride something over 2ft again haha
     
  7. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    QUOTE=cackedinri;140867]erock, Even if the ASP disappeared wouldn't there just be another organization with a different name that was still supported by the sponsors? Without sponsors nobody even knows who these guys are unless you've known them your whole life. Sponsors have to be involved with the amount of money at stake. Even big sports orgs. like the NFL/MLB are still not really that independent and run by sponsors, they just happen to be huge national TV stations who pay money to make more money. my question is, is it possible without sponsors?[/QUOTE]

    I think the underlying difference is that the ASP was essentially a product of the sponsors as a marketing vehicle that brings the surfers under it's umbrella as a commodity. In other words, it was not started as a grass-roots surfer-based organization, it was started for the sponsors--quite the opposite of NBA, NHL, NFL and MLB. Yes, all the other pro spots leagues have had incredible amounts of help from sponsors, but they have pretty much been in the back seat as far as writing the rules for the sport. This has created room for questions as to who is actually running the show, where their allegiances lie and to what degree the athletes even have any influence in the organization.

    Enter the ISA, which was set up completely differently and modeled more around team-based competition in an attempt to make the outcomes a mix of objective and subjective criteria--the ASP and most other competition systems are based solely on subjective criteria. Also, ISA surfers surf for a team. Sure, sponsors are still involved in every aspect from sponsoring the ISA itself, sponsoring the events and the surfers' individual sponsorships--BUT their overall influence pretty much ends there because the ISA was set up to be based for surfers and by surfers.

    So, I don't think pro surfing would survive if you took sponsors completely out of the picture but I do think it would (evidenced by ISA) if they had to take a different position than they currently have.

    Micah brings up a good point in this same line of thought--charging for tickets will probably always be out of the question, but pro surfing is making a lot of progress in developing an international TV following and it will probably continue to grow. This will probably bring in an entirely different group of sponsors in addition to the current handful of "core" companies, which I think is a really good thing as far as pro surfing goes (bringing more masses of weekend warriors and summer pros to your lineup is a completely different argument). The more diversity in sponsorship you can get in pro surfing, the better chance it has to thrive and survive.

    I also think the current "members-only" club has caused a lot of the problems in the ASP that have gotten it to the state it's in now. Look what happens when just two companies hit financially hard times--J-Bay get's downgraded to a 6-star (WTF), no Search contest, Cold Water Classic up to WCT status (WTF), Lady's Tour completely gutted, not even any freaking Hawaii events, so much for another NYC contest, on and on. You will get more and better events if you can spread the risk of sponsorship out a little more--especially in light of how much it costs to put on a good webcast.

    I think it's going to get pretty interesting over the next couple years, especially since Australia's economy is currently tanking.

    Disclaimer: I am speaking in terms of PRO surfing, not surfing in general. I surf because I love it, not because a pro tour exists.
     
    Last edited: Sep 28, 2012
  8. Swellinfo

    Swellinfo Administrator

    May 19, 2006
    I think having the quarter finals, semi finals, finals on mainstream TV is very legit.
    If the ASP wants to make strides, I think that should be the goal.

    The tricky part is that would be like 4-5 hours of air time, which is a ton of time to take up in comparison to a 3 hour baseball or football game.
     
  9. zrich

    zrich Well-Known Member

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    Aug 22, 2011
    The other tricky part is that waves are unreliable, so slotting TV time would be challenging. This isn't a sport where rainouts occur like 1% of the time.
     
  10. Swellinfo

    Swellinfo Administrator

    May 19, 2006
    Very good point... Thats a huge factor.
     
  11. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Toward the end of the interview, Slater mentions how he lives by his principles, and speaks his mind.

    It reminded me of how much of a suck up I've become in my old age, and how the only way I could ever live that way is if I could reach such a high level of success in my life that I would have the freedom to literally say and do exactly, and only, what my moral compass tells me to say and do. I guess a lot of other people, especially young people, do live that way, but now that I've sort of become part of the big, mainstream, social machine, I find I have to live a compromised life.

    Success is very liberating in that way, I guess.
     
  12. Koki Barrels

    Koki Barrels Well-Known Member

    Aug 14, 2008
    "Word of Surf Channel's pending launch has surfaced right as speculation over the restructuring of the Association of Surfing Professionals' media rights continues to heighten. The ASP's board convened in Huntington Beach during the US Open to discuss various matters. A new media deal was not struck, although sources suggest the ASP may reach a conclusion by September. Surf Channel has demonstrated an interest in re-airing contests and highlights.

    "The ASP has had casual discussions with Steve Bellamy and the Surf Channel for well over a year regarding possible partnerships in the future," ASP media director Dave Prodan told ESPN. "However, no formal discussions have been had nor official plans tabled." Prodan also noted that if a singular platform were to be activated, the ASP would consider all partners and proposals.

    Currently, contest sponsors and licensees dictate the distribution of related media, and Surf Channel has spoken to the major brands about taking footage of the events to television. Quiksilver confirmed they've spoken to Bellamy, but offered no details. An arrangement to broadcast live events, however, is not an immediate possibility. Said Bellamy: "If there was a way we could add value to that equation, we would do that in a heartbeat.""

    http://espn.go.com/action/surfing/s...ing-surf-channel-hoping-make-waves-television


    In a short amount of time, there will be a mainstream media outlet for all things surf...It will be interesting to see if contest sponsers and licencees will jump on board. This may be the advent of a shake-up in how the industry operates or could just send thousands of landlocked individuals to your local break.