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...and that's a good thing. Like I've said before, if you don't have the luxury of making a choice, then that's fine. But this whole debate opens up an important discussion, with different perspectives. And I think people need to hear all sides to make informed choices. Because, ultimately, the choice is in the power of the buyer, and every dollar is a message to the marketplace, saying what we value and what we don't. I'll spend more for organic food (certain items) because I want to support it. I buy my Christmas tree from the local fire department because I want to support them, too. It's not the cheapest, but it has greater value in some other respect, beyond the dollars and cents. And that's what all the "blah blah" is about.

 

I agree that you should support local businesses whenever possible. The outsourcing of manufacturing jobs to China has killed our economy. The manufacturing businesses profits used to be funneled back into the economy. The jobs in those manufacturing plants were lost. There salaries also were funnelled back into the economy. The list goes on and on as goose said earlier. Taxes alone on those things could help reduce deficits and help the economy strive. I do believe that if you don't buy goods from China to support the local shops, you must not hire illegal mexicans or give money to illegal mexicans either. Otherwise, you are a hypocrite. Illegals cost this country billions of dollars including jobs. They lowered the job wage where people can't even take the jobs that they used to do. This is because they have huge amounts of people living in houses to split high rents that the law abiding citizen with that same job can't afford because they abide by certificate of occupany laws. The list never ends with the drain that illegals have on our economy. Section 8, welfare, food stamps all for non-citizens that us the real citizens pay in taxes. They send all their money back to relatives in other countries which never gets into our economy. The thing is that Americans are to blame. They want the cheaper prices for fixes to their house, cheaper landscaping, etc. Illegals and China are bringing this economy to an eventual disaster. So make sure to buy crap you don't need from China, eat a cheap meal at a restaurant with illegal mexicans and keep supporting this vicious cycle. Me personally, I try to only buy American made but it's hard. I also won't eat at restaurants with illegals and I'll never hire a company that uses illegals. I ask construction and landscaping companies if they use illegals before hiring them.

 

Guess you don't drive a car either.

 

Perfection is impossible, you just do the best you can.

 

It is hypocritical to judge others while also being part of the problem. It isn't just cars, btw.

 

I agree with you on all of those points, however, these so called "illegals" etc, just simply work harder, do better work, never complain, dont look for handouts and run at an efficiency rate that people in the US generally havent done for decades... I will NEVER hire any illegals, but the hispanic community as a whole in this nation has taken over the job market based on hard work and results. I mean, look at any Kitchen in any restaurant on the west coast... They all run smooth as silk, and english is a second language back there.... But everyone is on time. They break their backs all day for a reasonable rate... and when you put a few "americans" next to them, they simply cant keep up... I am all about proper immigration etc, but its way bigger than that. Every mexican that worked in my restaurants were LEGAL... 100%, but they did incredible jobs... It is what it is... They would send money back to Mexico, but that is their business....

And to be honest, aside from Landscaping and Kitchen work, these "illegals" or non-illegals are taking the jobs that no one else wants.... The "Dirty Work" as it were.... So now, if you are collecting grease out of grease traps, you cant expect a HUGE wage because its "dirty work".... Its just fair now... thats all.

 

It's impossible to buy a car with all American parts unless it's over 50 years old. You can at least buy a car that is assembled in the US by American workers and the transmission was built in America. You sir, are the problem. You probably would ship anything and everyone off to China to make a few bucks.

 

I love when people drink the kool-aid. Both democrats and republicans won't touch it because they will get the votes. I'm sure the people you use are legal, lol. Either way, most illegals are on government aid, food stamps, welfare and housing assistance. People think they are hard workers when almost 77% get government handouts and they don't pay taxes. People would do those jobs and used to at a higher rate. These people have come in and lowered the wage to 5/hr. You can't live on that or pay any rent unless you live like illegals do (10 people in a house). It's sad that they lowered the wage were people can't even take the jobs. It's not a matter of not wanting to do the jobs. When people take those jobs, they then need government handouts too because illegals lowered the wage.

 

I think (and hope) you're wrong about "the horse being out of the barn" as far as manufacturing returning to the US..
I work for a medical manufacturer and we make everything in China... It drives me crazy. I hate that I sell crap from China, but it was the only way for us to make a profit.
But that is changing every day. The cost of gas has tripled the cost of shipping... Chinese workers know they were making **** $ and demanded way more... They built all brand new high tech factories because the world saw them barefoot in huts.
It's becoming less cost effective every day build and ship product to the US and I know my company is looking in to manufacturing local. As the the profit margins decrease it becomes more and more tempting to build here and it's happening for all industries.

 

I mean, Im with you brother. Im not captain save the illegals... Im simply saying that if you truly are "illegal" all you get is medical treatment in a hospital... Without a legit social security # etc, you get no aide. You get no welfare and you get no hand outs... Plain and simple... Now, if you are illegal, with good documents, thats another story.... but illegals fly under the radar and dont use goverment assistance. And if they use a bogus ID, they still have to pay taxes that go into our economy that they never get back... they wont file their taxes...

And what state has a $5.00 an hour wage? CA is $8.00, and SC where I live now is $7.25... We pay guys minimum $9.00 an hour to wash dishes...

 

Yes, I am the problem. Not you. No, you are perfect and making this country work.

Spare me the BS. I work for the Germans, drive a Japanese car, and hold stock in Italian companies. However, my choices and purchases today put food on more Americans' tables than when I worked for an American company and drove an American car. Americans outsource everything. It isn't the consumer's fault, it is our entire system. It is capitalism. If you want to b1tch to someone, b1tch to the government and WTO. They are the ones allowing companies to use child labor abroad. It even happens on US soil. Just because something says "made in the USA" does not mean it is made in the continental US. Do you know how many US companies use child labor to cheaply produce made in the USA goods on south pacific islands? Do some research.
I love when some bozo says something like "you are the problem" while also being a big contributor to the problem. Stop being a hypocrite. I never said I was buying from this stupid website, I only stated that it was silly to chastise someone who does (other than for being careless about giving CC info to random people overseas). We are all part of the problem unless you only buy clothes, food, and goods from companies that manufacturer in your local area. Other than the Amish, I doubt many Americans can make that claim.

 

Almost all illegals get aid, that is a fact. I'm talking about illegals who come here and have anchor babies. All of them have kids. Once you have a kid here, he/she is an American citizen (using law in a way it wasn't intended). Since they have a kid who is considered an American because of birthright, they qualify for all assistance (welfare, food stamps, free schooling where teachers have to teach Spanish!, free healthcare, housing them in prison systems). It's billions of dollars in expenses to our economy and had killed the deficit. Hands down it's the greatest threat right now along with manufacturing in China. The only people benefiting are the people hiring them and making tons of money off them.

 

You are a moron, sir. Are you drinking your crap beer? We have to discuss the topic and get people steered in the right direction. Otherwise, they will keep outsourcing and taking away Americans. I wouldn't threw the world capitalism around much is really intended for competition domestically. The globalization of the economy (NAFTA, NATA, Euro, etc.) is really the culprit and the worst idea ever. Isolationism is best to keep our country afloat. We need to stop giving handouts to illegals, stop outsourcing all jobs (companies should be taxed severely when outsourcing) and stop trying to help every other country. It's time to start thinking about the people in this country and the future of the country. We don't need to care about buying the latest Ipad or a phone that you can use as a vibrator. I already said I do my best to only buy American goods and support American businesses. The problem is people like you don't even try.

 

"their takin our jooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooobs!"

 

You don't know me, yet somehow I don't try? Keep making yourself sound like an e-tard. You are a problem just like the kid you are b1tching about. I am a problem too. Until we all admit it and stop playing the blame game, we will never change anything. It is always easier to blame someone else.
BTW, by beers are better than any cheap swill you probably drink. American made craft, not foreign owned budweiser.

 

Back in the pile!

 

Are you reading my posts? I already said it's a problem but people need to make an effort. If you are making an effort, than it doesn't pertain to you. The fact that you have been getting offended by people's posts that are for buying American good makes me think that you don't make an effort. If I'm wrong, than good on you for making an effort. 90% of the population shop at Walmart, Target and Home Depot. This are the people who need to make an effort. What do you think would happen if people only went to mom and pops shops and boycotted these chain stores? That would be a great thing. I'm sure local companies would thrive and expand. . Btw I only drink American beer (flying fish) unless they employ illegals. If that's the case, they aren't really American.

 

I am not getting offended, I am telling people to stop being hypocrites. Most of the people *****ing probably own more than their share of slave labor produces clothing and goods. It doesn't matter if the middle man is an American. It isn't the middle men that are hurting, it is core manufacturing. I honestly don't care that people only buy from American owned companies. It is more important to buy from companies that employ the most Americans. As I said, my company is German owned, but they employ thousands of Americans and manufacture in the USA. Then there are US companies all over the place that manufacture all their goods overseas. If you just bought American, you would ignore a company like mine that does a lot of good for the USA. So, moral is that we are all hypocrites, this one guy buying from China isn't going to make any difference, and try to support companies that bring work to the USA.

 

BTW, I do enjoy Flying Fish. I used to buy their beer, along with Ithaca when visiting NJ family. However, they have an exclusive deal with certain chain store out of state, and that rubs me the wrong way.