Trip to San Diego (or north county) in late June 2013

Discussion in 'Southern California' started by RobfromFredneck, Mar 11, 2013.

  1. RobfromFredneck

    RobfromFredneck Well-Known Member

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    Feb 27, 2009
    I've been asking a ton of questions on tripadvisor forum, but I'd like some more input from the local surf community.

    - I'm east coast novice surfer. Been out about 15 times over 10 years but still riding whitewater mostly and missing more waves than I catch, so I'm not bothering with paddling out into Trestles or a sketchy reef breaks. Where are some good beginner breaks to check out where there is space to share with others whom aren't crowding a lineup at a point?

    Also with my family coming, looking for some advice on where to stay. Been looking at some oceanfront condo rentals up in Oceanside that we can afford and also some places in Pacific Beach area but those are many blocks from beach.

    Oceanside seems more quiet and less congested and noisy. However some on this board called it "trashy". Is that poor ocean water, or just a sketchy community/low income?

    Ocean/Mission area seems rowdy, party crowd area, but many families/vacationers tend to get geared to this area. Looking at all the rental properties, it seems like a shantytown where everyone is on top of each other and its very busy and congested. I'm not sure we'd enjoy that sort of community as a family getaway. Lets just say even though we live in MD, we prefer to drive the exta couple hours to go to OBX, NC vs. OCMD/Deleware or Jersey shores, just because of the peace and tranquility down in OBX (and better surfbreaks for me to flounder around in without being in the way of others).

    We want to visit and check out many of the coastal areas of So Cal but we need a peaceful place to stay. Is Oceanside a better option to stay than Pacific/Mission/Ocean Beaches?

    La Jolla looks beatiful but seems really ritzy and expensive to stay.
     
  2. johnnydon'tsurf

    johnnydon'tsurf Active Member

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    Mar 10, 2013
    hey Rob, the only advice i could really give you would be to check out San Elijo campgrounds at Cardiff by the Sea. i don't know how your family would feel about camping, or if that's even an option but the amenities there are pretty decent (all things considered). plus the location sits right on top of the cliffs, with just a mere walk down the stairs to get to the beach. the break out front is technically reef, but it's the smooth limestone type, not anything that would cut you up. the wave itself is fairly soft so it's enjoyed by many longboarders, girls and your typical teenage shredders. Cardiff as well as Encinitas may offer the type of vibe you are looking for. also it's central location makes it great for checking out other towns and surf spots in the area.

    the two downsides to Pacific/Mission/Ocean beaches are that yeah the area has kind of a "hood" feel to it. you may be totally fine there, but it's kind of a seedy area (sometimes seedy can be good) and if any of the beaches in the area were to be closed for water quality, it would be those 3. i guess due to their proximity to Tijuana.

    your family may enjoy Huntington Beach for the walking around and shopping aspect. plus the beach there is so wide open that i'm sure you could find a peak that suited your abilities. Huntington probably has more of a touristy vibe to it, while Cardiff and Encinitas are a little more homely.

    anywhere you end up, i can just about guarantee you'll have a good time. also for a family-day out, the San Diego zoo is world class. i would highly recommend it.

    best wishes man.
     

  3. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Since I was born on ol' Fred, let me break it down for you brother. The trashy comments about "Oside" are regarding the people.... Everyone in North County makes those references. I used to tell my buddies from Del Mar that they were from Oceanside, and those are fighting words.... its a FAAAARRRRR stretch though. You will find much more trash on Market Street or John Hansen any day of the week. Oside is a nice area... mostly military...

    I would say Oside is just far enough from San Diego, Just far enough from OC and LA that its just an annoying area.

    I would honestly say to stay in Mission or North PB. Yes, South Mission and PB are "party" areas, but only later at night, and avoid South Mission on Sunday nights... Just trust me there.... While OB is my favorite area of San Diego, its not that family oriented... Stay on Mission Bay or North PB. Its a 5 minute drive to the airport... You are 5 minutes from Downtown... You can go to the Zoo one day (5 minutes away).... Balboa Park.... Catch a Padres game with $5 park passes and sit in the grass.

    As far as surfing, simply go to one place.... Tourmaline or Law Street. North PB. Total beginner area. you will find a peak somewhere between the Point and the PB pier... Its the easiest wave on the west coast... Even on Big Wednesday, the surf there maxed out at like 6-8 feet. No rouge sets.... Easy street.... Mission, OB and La Jolla are loc'ed out year round... If you attempt to surf anywhere in OB in June, you will most likely leave with a bad taste in your mouth from the locals.... If you want to surf La Jolla, go to La Jolla shores... its a great beach... The shores are generally blocked from steeper angled swells that time of year, so you can look North to Scripps and Blacks and it will be 6 feet, and the shores, 200 yards south is waist to chest... The shores has its days, just not in June....

    Thats my advice.... Oceanside is a nice, quiet place though... so dont let the Hype deter you... Its just difficult driving to all the SD attractions from there... Traffic both ways and not much to do in Oside....

    Hope that helps.... Mission Bay and Central part of SD is whats up though... Tons to do every day... Kayak on Mission Bay with the family... Surf in the mornings. Hang out on the beach.... go shopping... Check out the city... Checkout the ports downtown....

    You MUST, and I mean MUST at least drive down Sunset Cliffs once... Even if you are not surfing, walk down to one of the little coves or beaches... That is what San Diego is all about... That rugged, beautiful coastline, and on the off chance that there is decent swell in the water in June, there are a few Summer reefs to surf or at least watch... The locals will be all over it, but you can watch some serious talent... There are a few inside reefs that offer quick barrels on every way in the summer if its working. A couple points and just a beautiful scene for sure....

    PM me if you want any further details or contacts while you are there.
     
  4. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Beach closers in SD city are only due to urban runoff and the sewage plant breaking down on Point Loma... These are only threats during winter months and only after rain... June will be safe no matter what. And the current runs south... All the runoff comes from the SD rivermouth in between the Jetties that seperate Mission and OB... No worries in the summer though ever...
     
  5. RobfromFredneck

    RobfromFredneck Well-Known Member

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    Feb 27, 2009

    Zach, awesome info! You've given me more valuable travel info. than numerous posts over the last week and half on the tripadvisor boards. I knew where to go! I'll IM you on some extra travel questions. Good to hear from a fellow Frednecktonian! PS: The John Hanson project got tore down about 7-10 years ago!
     
  6. RobfromFredneck

    RobfromFredneck Well-Known Member

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    Feb 27, 2009
    Thanks zaGaffer! I was reading about the June Gloom thing and was wondering if it would still be a concern for June 25-July 3 while we are there. It seems our stay is right on the end of it. We'll pack sweaters just in case. Defintely going to the zoo...and probably up to LA for a day trip to do the touristy Beverly Hills thing (stop to see Trestles break along the way just to see it and take pictures and such).

    How much rubber should I pack for that time of year? I've got a 4/3 full, 3/2 shorty, and a thermal rashie (and boots, gloves & hood but I doubt they are necessary?. I don't want to clog up the suitcases with surf rubber...don't want to pay the extra fees on airlines. Maybe its just as easy to rent some rubber there. Honestly, I'll probably be luck to get 1 1/2 day session in on this trip...maybe 2 separate days if I'm lucky, because we'll be running around alot site seeing and such.
     
  7. RobfromFredneck

    RobfromFredneck Well-Known Member

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    Feb 27, 2009
    OK so lets say I look for places to stay in Pacific Beach/Mission Beach/bay areas. Just for a "bad example" we were looking at a house rental on Felspar Street in Pacific Beach. The reviews I read by other patrons said there were late night partiers, fights, bars only 1/2 a block. That would have been a dream location back when I was 18-25, but I'm in early 40's now and have a family and we need a more subdued location where its a little more quiet at night. So can you give some street locations in Pacific/Mission areas that would be more idea zones for us to check out hotels or rental condos and such? I think we probably can save some coin staying off the ocean a few blocks at least. Since we don't plan to camp out on the beaches all day, but instead want to do alot of ventures around the area, it probably isn't a necessary luxury for this trip. Sorry if this is more of a travel post than surfing, but you surfing guys are giving waayy better info. than tripadvisor trolls have been.
     
  8. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Feldspar isn't bad. If u can find anything up around law street or north into South La Jolla. If u don't mind a 5 minute drive to the beach, stay in Hotel circle. There are like 50 hotels there. All close to everything. South La Jolla or north Pb is good by the beach tho. Otherwise look off mission bay around Ingram street. That's bayside and low key.

    As far as wetsuits, bring a 3 mil or spring suit. You can get away with a 2 mil even. I just never trunk it until kid July or August. If people say its trunk able in June they are lying :) .

    There are some nice hotels down on shelter island and harbor island by the airport and Sam Diego bay. Or go HUGE and stay at the hotel del Coronado :)
     
  9. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Ohh, and yes 9 out of ten times the June gloom is gone by late late June. 2 an 3 years ago it lingered into July 4th weekend but that is not common.
     
  10. kidrock

    kidrock Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2010
    zach619 and zaGaffer are right, PB OB and MB are good for beginners, especially PB. In the summer though, it's madness...not exactly "uncrowded" or "family oriented".

    Johnnydon'tsurf has a great recommendation for San Elijo/Cardiff. Very mellow breaks with mellow crews for the most part, and not as crowded as the City breaks.

    My personal recommendation would be any of the North County areas, particularly between Cardiff and Carlsbad. Plenty of glassy and uncrowded breaks, away from the hassle and urban "ick" of PB MB and OB. Leucadia and Carlsbad have tons of uncrowded glassy consistent surf...just find a decent place to park and walk down the stairs.

    I would definitely bring a 3/2 for late June. A short sleeve spring suit would probably work too. You won't be trunking it unless there's a heat wave. "June Gloom" usually burns off by 11am-noon, but gives way to daily NW onshore winds of 10-15 knots.

    BTW: I was born and raised in SD, lived there for 30 years, and surfed it for 15 of those years. I still make annual trips there. I've traveled the entire coast there, as well as Tijuana to Cabo. I have also surfed OCMD and OBX as well.
     
    Last edited: Mar 12, 2013
  11. RobfromFredneck

    RobfromFredneck Well-Known Member

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    Feb 27, 2009
    Thanks Zach for more super info. It seems like we can get alot more bang 4 buck with a condo/house rental vs. hotel stay, but we'll keep checking both options in those areas to see what pops up. I already looked at the Hotel del Coronado. Out of our budget!

    PS: Heading down to OCMD this weekend for St. Patty's celebration/parade. If the swells are between thigh and shoulder, I'm in. Water temp is only 40, so I'll be pretty cold in my 4/3. I've been fine down to 48 degrees in it and stayed pretty warm for about an hour. We'll see.
     
  12. RobfromFredneck

    RobfromFredneck Well-Known Member

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    Feb 27, 2009
    A guy I work with mentioned that years ago, he was in San Diego and there is a beach that is military only that general public can't get onto but there is an awesome surf break that everyone in the area wanted to try to get to. I work for the DOD and have an access/issue card. Is this somewhere I could surf or visit that would be worthwhile? Where is it?
     
  13. kidrock

    kidrock Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2010
    the place you're talking about in Coronado can be crazy in summertime. Takes any swell from a southerly direction and the prevailing NW breeze blows offshore there. Add the fact that it breaks on a super shallow sandbar in super cold water (for SD), and you have a neck-snapping freight train combination. You'll need a pass to get on there, so there will be zero crowds. Not a good place for a beginner, but a great place to watch some smoking summertime barrels.

    FYI, since you have a pass, there's another place that's similar in Oceanside. Great lefts, no crowds. Like zaGaffer says, any more info than this would be too much. Not necessarily "secrets", but probably a couple of the last uncrowded spots in SoCal.
     
  14. RobfromFredneck

    RobfromFredneck Well-Known Member

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    Feb 27, 2009
    Sorry guys, I didn't mean to try to work a secret spot out of you guys on the web. I figured if some old non-surfer knew about it, it must be common knowledge, but I guess you locals are still trying to preserve it (and piggy back onto base with a military guy or civilian employee.

    Yeah, I'm not interested in breaking my neck on a shallow sandbar. I've had some sketchy situations in OCMD on an hollow sand bar break in 2 feet of water and got out of that area. I figure the power of the Pacific/SD break will require a lot more skill so I won't bother. If its a good beach to visit and take the family and watch some quality surfing, I'm all for that as well. Sometimes I enjoy watching awesome wave breaks and really advanced surfers ride them as much as surfing myself. Observing a great break is like appreciating fine art in museum. Those that don't surf don't quite have that appreciation for the great waves that God creates for us to ride and become one with the sea.
     
  15. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    In the summer, unless there is a bigger South Swell, North PB doesnt pack much punch and unless its super low tide, you will always be surfing in 5-8 feet of water.... Hitting the sand or reefs for that matter are really a non issue unless you are on the La Jolla reefs, which I assume you will not be... 95% of the Sunset Cliffs reefs are pretty deep. I have surfed them thousands of times, literally and never hit a reef. Well, i have hit a couple messing around on a small day on the inside, but as far as actually surfing the reefs on decent swells, they are all pretty damn deep. On good days, you will be a mile out. I have gotten held down for what felt like a mile under water out there and never hit anything.
     
  16. stinkbug

    stinkbug Well-Known Member

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    Dec 21, 2010
    Carlsbad/Tamarack has some easier waves to surf also, and it's up north.
    Personally my favorite part of San Diego is the stretch from Carlsbad to Encinitas
    Check out Blacks too if you can handle it and it's not too big. It's the best surfing experience there I think.
     
  17. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    Ohh, and the place I think he was talking about is Oceanside Marine base (Camp Pendleton). The North end of coronado doesnt really break with all the dredging for the ship. The central, public area on coronado fires with a straight South Swell... No east, just south.... Its rare, but I proposed to my wife right in front of the Hotel Del on a Sand Dune and sunset... The way I tricked her into going onto the beach was by saying, Wow, its like DOH on coronado, ive never even seen a wave here before... So she grunted, took her shoes off and we walked down there... It was dumping.

    But the DM Jetty etc that is litterally on Camp Pendleton is a sweet setup... Completely private. I surfed it while on based with some friend who just got back from Iraq a few years ago.... Its military only and its a sick setup... Its not a secret, you just cant get on it without a Marine with you and a few car searches on your way in.
     
  18. zach619

    zach619 Well-Known Member

    Jan 21, 2009
    and a bunch of wangs...
     
  19. kidrock

    kidrock Well-Known Member

    Aug 1, 2010
    there's a jetty break at the northernmost end of North Island near the entrance, faces almost directly due south. Breaks like Outlet, pretty crazy. An old friend of mine was the guy who got paralyzed at Outlet.

    And since the cat's out of the bag, yes...I was talking about DMJ. ;)
     
  20. McLovin

    McLovin Well-Known Member

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    Jun 27, 2010
    9/11 kinda changed everything as far as accessing surf spots within military bases. Growing up I remember bases used to be open to the public. After the twin towers fell, 100% ID checks!

    Not that I'm complaining, hehehe, more for me