Big Waves vs. Small Waves

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by DawnPatrol321, May 7, 2013.

  1. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    What adjustments do you make to your technique when you are facing larger than normal surf? More specifically long period ground swell in the HH-DOH range w/offshore winds.

    Do you typically stick to your normal routine / techniques or do you make adjustments? I find myself questioning myself a lot more as the size of the waves get larger. Should I just stick to what I know??? What do you do?

    I'm just trying to increase my efficiency and catch more than I miss. Any advice from you guys getting 23 footers on the regular would be appreciated... yes you too NJShredmachine, I wanna know what you suggest too.
     
  2. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    This just in from the shredmachine:

    "HH to DOH I just work on my car or hit the gym. You groveling pu55ies can have it"
     

  3. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Sounds like something he'd say, but I bet he's got something more up his sleeve for this one. In all seriousness though, what changes do you make, if any?
     
  4. goosemagoo

    goosemagoo Well-Known Member

    900
    May 20, 2011
    I try to remember 2 things:

    Other than that I try to remember I can make many more sections than I'm used to because of the extra speed. Too many days of mushburgers and I forget what may not be a makeable section when it's waist high will be entirely makeable on an overhead day.
     
  5. fins369

    fins369 Well-Known Member

    195
    Nov 17, 2008
    1. make sure you have the right board. being undergunned is not fun.
    2. make sure you know the break, and what it involves when it gets big.
    3. make sure you are in the right physical shape to deal with being caught inside.
    4. trust your rail. you need it when dropping into a hollow 12 footer in a completely different way than you are used to when messing around in "normal" east coast surf.
    5. pay attention to those around you. not seeing a set coming can be costly. if someone perks up and starts paddling for the horizon, do the same before you even can confirm a set is coming. you'll be first in line for a wave if there is a set, and if there isn't one, who cares...
     
  6. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    Depends a lot on the location. In the perfect point waves of El Salvador, I loved being able to ride HH+ long period power on the same 6'2" quad that i ride in chest high waves. Doing a bunch of playful turns and roundhouse cutback on 8 foot faces is a huge rush.

    In HH+ beach break with offshores, I ride a longer board to get in earlier..for me that 6'2" is gonna stay home and I'll be on a 6'6" or 7'0". Around here those waves are mostly fast and barrelling so turns arent that much of a factor anyway. But thats me, my friends will still be on their shortboards.

    Paddle harder, earlier, more committed, and with the nose pointed a bit down the line to get the rail set quicker once I'm on my feet...scrubbing speed on a true bottom turn too often gets me axed. The guys who surf better than i do can pull off the bottom turn to stall to barrell in the big stuff but i just seem to get crushed.

    I'm goofy, and when the conditions are like that i tend to really look for the lefts because i find those wave to be a lot more makeable frontside. I can usually get a couple of quick mid face pumps front side on the takeoff which is huge. Backside on the rights, i usually end up doing a bottom turn and losing a bunch of speed right when i needed it on the takeoff.
     
    Last edited: May 7, 2013
  7. goosemagoo

    goosemagoo Well-Known Member

    900
    May 20, 2011
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    Equipment and technique wouldn't matter. But I would make sure I mailed my life insurance payment, finished up my will and wore floating dog tags. :eek:
     
  8. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    this picture is so badass!
     
  9. RobG

    RobG Well-Known Member

    868
    Jun 17, 2010
    That is such a gnarly spot...unreal.
     
  10. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Thanks for the responses guys, good advice from some vets. I've been at this a while now, but never as committed as I have been the last few. All good stuff to focus on. I think what i'm getting at with this question is that when it's big like that, the sets sometimes keep me guessing at where I need to be at. Sometimes i'm in the right position catching whatever comes my way, but then there is always that set that breaks 50 yards further out than normal and you have a decision to make, scratch to go get over and out the back, or try to get into it somehow, but it appears your stuck too far inside, because that's where all the set have been showing up, this of course being a beach break, like Cocoa / Patrick's AFB, or New Smyrna / Ponce Inlet.

    What do you do in those situations? My instict is to get over them and out the back, and then get ready for the right one, but by time I get through a few the set is over and now they are back to breaking further inside. It's not that i'm never in the right place, cause i am, but not as often as i'd like. Is this just normal in beach breaks when they get big?
     
  11. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    +1 So f'ing crazy
     
  12. shark-hunter

    shark-hunter Well-Known Member

    Apr 29, 2012
    There's a thin line between "gnarly" and stupidity. Well that picture is amazing to look at, but that guy has obviously crossed over into stupidity. What if he made a mistake on the drop? He's probably be paralyzed or die.
     
  13. 252surfer

    252surfer Well-Known Member

    Dec 1, 2010
    if i remember the story correctly, he got towed in. but yea if he didnt he would have gotten ****ed up
     
  14. chicharronne

    chicharronne Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2006
    young guys are indestructible.
     
  15. DawnPatrol321

    DawnPatrol321 Well-Known Member

    Mar 6, 2012
    Also, when doing a late take off and the wave is starting to pitch, how do you handle that situation, i make some but get tossed sometimes too
     
  16. frontsidecrotchgrab

    frontsidecrotchgrab Well-Known Member

    91
    Oct 29, 2012
    Thats most breaks with long period groundswell...As for sitting, waiting for the sets or getting busy on the inside: It comes down to personal preference. Do you just want to get your wave count up? Or catch an outsider. Are the set waves the BEST waves in terms of shape?Are the outside waves mushing while the inside is barreling? All things to consider. There are more options when there is more wave energy...
     
  17. shark-hunter

    shark-hunter Well-Known Member

    Apr 29, 2012
    Being killed doesn't make you "tough". Being paralyzed is a nightmare. Yes you can get killed falling in a bathtub. It's all about percentage chance. For example, driving against oncoming traffic in the wrong direction while drunk at 100mph has a higher percentage of death than falling in the bathtub. I don't think you can compare danger of 2 foot beach break vs riding a wave in that picture. And in all honesty, there are plenty of waves that break heavy and aren't close to that danger level. That picture makes pipe look safe.
     
  18. SkegLegs

    SkegLegs Well-Known Member

    513
    Feb 8, 2009
    It's 90% fitness and paddling strength / 10% commitment, for a large large majority of the beach breaks we see, equipment changes make little to no difference. A little more size can help you get more paddle speed, but limits you when you spend most of your time taking off under the lip as it is. Bigger on a beach break just means dredgier.
     
  19. leethestud

    leethestud Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2010
    I'm no laird hamilton, so take this with a grain. A hand full of DOH days is the extent of my war stories.

    agree with not being undergunned. Bring enough board to...

    Get in early. You don't want to be dropping in late if conditions are critical, at least not at first.

    Be smart. I tend to ride everything in sight in vb and that has gotten me in trouble on trips or during storms. A big meaty closeout is no fun at all.

    "when the wave breaks, don't be there!" so true! Don't get stuck inside! Taking a few big ones on the head will ruin your day.

    Man up! It usually takes me missing a good one to get in the zone. "Don't be a pu55y Lee!" The reward is ultimate.
     
  20. newenglandflatness

    newenglandflatness Well-Known Member

    285
    Oct 12, 2012
    +1

    Or being out with a buddy when you're both feeling the nerves a bit, and your buddy turns and goes. Whether he makes it or gets buried, after that, I always make myself throw myself over the ledge to keep up.