Building the 'Hotkurl' 10'5"

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Roy Stuart, Feb 24, 2013.

  1. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    So you are posting a defense of things said about you on another forum, on this forum. I am not sure if that is ego or just a mental disorder.
     
  2. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    Which myths are you referring to? I'm not clear on what an "industry myth" is... can you give a few examples?
     

  3. MFitz73

    MFitz73 Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    Don't you think you're asking for a little too much?? lol.
     
  4. Steve83

    Steve83 Well-Known Member

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    Apr 17, 2013
    There are some members of Swaylocks that love to trash my recent build which was inspired by Roy's work. These people make posts trashing the design but can't seem to provide any good explanation. I have heard things like "it won't work because round rails grab water instead of releasing it". That's the level of thinking in that forum.
     
  5. Mitchell

    Mitchell Well-Known Member

    Jan 5, 2009
    To me thats a good level of thinking. Its only one design aspect (and might even be a desirable design aspect depending on how you want the board to perform) but at least its criticism that's based on some functional characteristic of the board. I'm no expert on rails...is that a bad assessment? I've thought it made some sense...round rails drawing water up instead of releasing it might slow a board down and affect turns.

    To me it's better level of thinking than worrying about wetsuit color, cost, lack of sales, broken boards, etc.

    By the way, and I think i said it before, fantastic job on the board. I really hope you find some good waves for it.
     
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  6. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    That's all well and good, but there is no reason to bring that trash on to our forum. We have enough Roy trash without inheriting stuff from other forums.
     
  7. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Brewengineer you are correct, there's no need to import that swaylocks trash here since you and a few others manufacture it right here yourselves.

    The only difference is that here you are held accountable.
     
  8. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013

    Let's start with a classic one: that surfboards need a tapered profile.


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  9. MFitz73

    MFitz73 Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2010
    Roy if you didn't post to this thread again I doubt it would have ever made it back up to relevance.

    I think my issues are with your pricing. Granted its your call as to how much they cost but its reasonable to want to know why they cost so much.
    could you give us a breakdown of what materials cost, your labor fee and your markup?
     
  10. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Rail shapes are interesting to discuss.
     
  11. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    By "tapered profile" do you mean nose-to-tail "foil" or "thickness flow?" I don't know if I'd call that an industry myth. I've played with foil and changing foil does change performance characteristics. So I'd argue that the foils you see on boards today, made with foam and fiberglass, serve a purpose. Again... it's what you're after. Some surfboards DO need a certain type of foil in order to perform in a certain way, just like your boards need a certain profile to perform a certain way.
     
  12. LBCrew

    LBCrew Well-Known Member

    Aug 12, 2009
    I listen to the guys that ride finless boards very closely when they talk about rails.
     
  13. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Yes:

    %*&@@ + $$$$$$ = $$$$$$$$

    I hope that helps.
     
  14. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    From Geoff McCoy:

    "Roy I have a good look at your website, absolutely amazing your craftsmanship creativity is mind blowing, great stuff."

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  15. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I've been using the profile since '94 and have had countless industry types and their clones telling me that it can't be done, shouldn't be done etc, it still goes on.

    In short they claim that a tapered profile is vital for the best performance for any surfboard type... laughable I know but that's what they actually think.
     
  16. Miahnaise

    Miahnaise Member

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    Apr 25, 2013
    That is one of the most gorgeous boards I've ever seen!! You're a ture craftsman! The haters on this thread seem outta place...
     
  17. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Thanks man, I'm really happy with this one, the concave, weight, and shape came out just right.
     
  18. nynj

    nynj Well-Known Member

    Jul 27, 2012
    From Erock:

    "I need some bog shoes for wade fishing in the marsh and this looks like it would work great. Plus, "Hot Karl" is an apt name seeing as how they will be covered with mud and smelly detritus after a good day of fishing"

     
  19. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Lol anyway she's a great design, I built and rode one in the year 2000 ( built at a remote beach where we were freedom camping) and it was epic... this one has been tweaked slightly.