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  1. Jun 3, 2013 #161
    archy 2.0

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    I do by educating myself and filtering my water. Not by listening to the OP and going along by laying down to crooks.
     
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  3. Jun 4, 2013 #162
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    c'mon brewdude, you are twisting my words again known as the straw man tactic. how does my abjection of vaccines correlate to a fear of modern science and medicine.
    as an avid surfer and skateboarder for over 30 years, I have had my fair share of broken bones, lacerations, and infections from tropical locales, that without modern science and medicine I would be a cripple or dead.

    like I said the debate over vaccines between believers and skeptics can go on forever. and life expectancy charts do not show the benefit of vaccines. there are many reasons for a rise in life expectancy such as advanced medical care and better socio-economical conditions.

    vaccines are not necessary to stop flu viruses if individuals take precautions to avoid infection such as proper nutrition and immune support, and good personal hygiene. like I said before, I have not had the flu in 10 years and have been around some really sick peeps.

    you are entitled to your belief on the origins of life, and I respect that, but your claim that life started from primordial soup has no evidence to support it.

    it is true that there is evidence to verify genetic mutation and natural selection in the process of evolution, but none to support the claim that chemicals in combination and reactions produced any life form, only the building blocks of life forms.
     
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  5. Jun 4, 2013 #163
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    Your fear of vaccines is because you don't understand (fear) modern medical science.
    The charts I posted are trends that are greatly affected by the widespread use of vaccines. I posted this before, and you had no real rebuttal:
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    "but your claim that life started from primordial soup has no evidence to support it."
    There is more evidence of this than there is that life started because some supreme being created it out like magic.
    http://news.discovery.com/space/astronomy/icy-clues-for-lifes-origins-130307.htm

    I can't tell you if a god or god-like force started the whole process (big bang to organic chemical reactions), but I can tell you the process from basic elements to living cells has a lot of data and research backing it up.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK26883/
    http://www.popsci.com/science/artic...institute-creates-worlds-first-synthetic-cell
    http://www.thenakedscientists.com/HTML/questions/qotw/question/3449/
     
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  6. Jun 4, 2013 #164
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    Aliens seek out planets with the appropriate conditions for life and deposit DNA into the mix. We're essentially one big alien grow-op, for real.
     
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  7. Jun 4, 2013 #165
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    Alien jiz in the soup? Prometheus style!
     
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  8. Jun 4, 2013 #166
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    Haha, indeed!

    *for the record, I'm not one that believes they come down to do anal probes or any of that stuff.
     
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  9. Jun 4, 2013 #167
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    hey dude if you dont like vaccines dont get em im just going to tell you now there effective, and i forgot the government is out to get me. oh and the new world order is hacking my bank account and have little tracking devices on my truck while the police take photos of me in the shower and they are putting gasoline in my milk..blah blah blah you conspiracy theorist are some paranoid fukcs
     
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  10. Jun 4, 2013 #168
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    the evidence you give to the primordial soup theory does not prove anything. it only proves that the building blocks for life can be formed like I said in my last post and don't disagree with.

    your evidence does not support those building blocks coming to life.

    like I said I respect your belief. but science and man can not explain the creation of the universe and all the processes for the creation of energy, which is what we essentially are, and the formation of energy into consciousness.
     
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  11. Jun 4, 2013 #169
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    assassinating one's identity does not offer an educational dialogue to a debate.
     
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  12. Jun 4, 2013 #170
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    like I said the vaccine debate can go on forever. your chart shows morbidity rates since the introduction of vaccines. it does not show their effectiveness. a lot of what the chart might shows might be because of advanced medical care and treatment of infectious disease.

    I don't fear vaccines, I just don't want to be injected with such things as aborted monkey and human fetal tissue cells.
     
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  13. Jun 4, 2013 #171
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    Did you not read the articles? We have basically created artificial living bacteria cells from the building blocks. We are just one step away. Living cells are life. We can create artificial bacterial, but just need to make it to the next phase, where the bacterial reproduces and evolves on its own.
    There is a lot of research and theories into the creation of the universe and energy. Many of them have a lot of evidence. Like I said, at least science is looking for the answers and sticking to evidence, while admitting mistakes. Religion and theology tells you they have all the answers and don't care to actually back it up with proof.
    Here is a good read: http://www.technologyreview.com/vie...erse-must-have-been-born-inside-a-black-hole/
    We can't rule out god all together in the start of the whole process (with our current knowledge), but we are working towards explaining the process and how it happens in nature.
     
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  14. Jun 4, 2013 #172
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    read this book: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Universe_from_Nothing
     
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  15. Jun 4, 2013 #173
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    Sure, if you want to ignore data.

    Um, no. If you research the topic on sites not affiliated with tin foil hat theories, you could find a plethora of data showing effectiveness.
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    Just a couple in my 1 min google search.

    Proof that all vaccines contain these things?
     
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  16. Jun 4, 2013 #174
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    yeah I read the articles. making cells with computers differs greatly from primordial soup.

    as far as the creation of the universe from black holes is all based on theory.

    what or who created the black hole? energy to consciousness?
     
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  17. Jun 4, 2013 #175
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  18. Jun 4, 2013 #176
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    You obviously only read one.
    "So what we’ve tried to do in my lab is to engineer all inorganic cells to see if we can put these features together. So by using molybdenum or tungsten oxides, we’ve been able to make very large clusters containing many hundreds of units. But not only that. We can have different building blocks templating the clusters. So we almost have an analogy to DNA, RNA and proteins in the clusters built in. So the question now is, can we get this system to boot up to replicate and evolve? And for that, you need to watch the space. "

    This is what creates black holes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_hole#Formation_and_evolution
    More info: http://amazing-space.stsci.edu/resources/explorations/blackholes/teacher/sciencebackground.html

    I can't tell you what created the first black hole, or that there ever was a first. What I can tell you, is that if we just rely on theological faith based beliefs, we will never look for the answers to your questions. Thus, we have the danger in teacher religion as an absolute.
     
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  19. Jun 4, 2013 #177
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    The Otters were right, Allied Athiest Alliance makes the most sense.
     
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  20. Jun 4, 2013 #178
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    yeah I read the article. creating artificial bacteria in a controlled environment aided by computers that are manipulated by man differs greatly from primordial soup.

    time and space are infinite therefore the possibilities are infinite.

    you and your kind can spend your lives trying to unlock the secrets of life in a lab, telescope, microscope, petri dish, test tube, etc.

    I put my faith in spiritual science. I chose to live in a spiritual world while confined to this 3 dimensional physical world. I do not fear death, and I have found great purpose in this life.

    please respect my beliefs as I respect yours.
     
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  21. Jun 4, 2013 #179
    archy 2.0

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    like I said the debate can go on forever. so i'm over it wasting my time with it. you vaccinate and I will not. my choice your choice.

    as far as proof the, center for disease control locks my computer and prevents it from entering their site. maybe you can find success.








    NIP: Vacsafe/Concerns/Gen/Human Cell Cultures in Manufacturing ...

    www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/gen/humancell.htm

    Jun 06, 2000 · Use of Human Cell Cultures in Vaccine Manufacturing. CDC's responsibility is to ... , and some of these cell lines originated from aborted fetal ...





    NIP: Vacsafe/Concerns/Gen/Contamination of Vaccines

    www.cdc.gov/nip/vacsafe/concerns/gen/contamination.htm

    Sep 28, 1997 · Vaccine manufacturers obtain human cell lines from FDA-certified cell banks. Fetal Tissue and Vaccines. ... Centers for Disease Control and


    I did however find that some vaccines contain fetal bovine serum. like I said its your choice, but I don't think I want to inject fetal bovine dna directly into my blood stream any time soon.

    http://www.cdc.gov/search.do?q=fetal+tissue+cells+in+vaccines&spell=1&ie=UTF-8
     
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  22. Jun 4, 2013 #180
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    yall just need to give up on this guy.. some people (hipsters) just try to do there own thing thinking there cool but in reality there not. go ahead ignore the data, but when your sleeping and jesus comes to you and your dreams and ***** smacks you dont blame me.
     
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