Experimenting With Hand Boards

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Erock, Jul 17, 2013.

  1. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    My 'puter wood identification needs some work!
    I'll be down to enter that comp if I get these finished up by then. I won't have any to sell this time around, but seems like it could be fun.

    Looking good man! I should have made a router template like you did so I can replicate these a little easier... maybe next time.

    Definitely 100% success.
    After seeing the one with the strap I had a face-palm moment. As a sailor I SHOULD HAVE KNOWN a quick trip to West Marine would be all I needed. Thanks for posting a close up of the brand HARKEN... I feel like an idiot for not thinking about using halyard stop/guides.

    How does that one with the ladybug and flower print work for you?
     
  2. goosemagoo

    goosemagoo Well-Known Member

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    May 20, 2011
    The one with the wheel on it looks like its had a few trips over a VERY SHALLOW reef. I wonder what his stomach looked like. Or maybe he was towing in the street behind a truck after Sandy. Ouch
     

  3. rstoup

    rstoup Active Member

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    Jun 25, 2013
    hey thanks for the kind words erock. These things are so much fun to make. I decided to make duplicates of the 3 different models. One set with the hole grab and the other set with a handstrap yet Ive yet to install the handstraps on them. Ive been searching the internet for some decent handstraps and havent really found any.
     
  4. funkyspec

    funkyspec Well-Known Member

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    Jul 19, 2012
    There is a guy near me in Delmarva, Gregg Rosner, who makes handplanes (along with alaias and paipos). He uses Paulownia wood. I am pretty sure he glues the Paulownia boards together before shaping the handplane. Here is his website which hasn't been updated in awhile: http://cargocollective.com/rocketalaias.

    I have one of his "loaners" and have used it a few times here in North OCMD. The loaner is too big for my taste (it is almost as big as a small bodyboard) and has the hole in the board for your fist. I used a handgun years ago, and prefer a smaller model with the strap style with no hole in the board.

    I wanted to order a smaller, thinner model from him, but he is busy making a hollow wooden surfboard now and sounds like he will be tied up with this project for months.

    So I would certainly consider buying one from youse guys here - I like what I see, so keep those pics of your work coming. The quality looks pretty darn good and I would love to support an artisan working with wood in a home shop for my next wave riding vehicle purchase.
     
  5. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    I've got an idea about what I'm going to do and will post it up when I do it. Still finishing the boards, so will probably address the straps next week sometime.


    Thanks man! Mine are prototypes, so they could spontaneously combust and create a sharknado the moment they hit the water for all I know. If these work good, I'll be confident enough to bust some out for some folks.



    Oh yeah, I finally did a rough measurement on mine. They are 12.25" x 7.25"
     
  6. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Ha ha we love the word sharknado here on SI. So just throwing it out there...what IF we put two of these things on our feet and got in a board stance? Would the independence of the feet that's foreign to a board get in the way? Could you specify the concave of the left and right plan to correspond to what would be the intended concave under the front and back feet of a board you'd ride?
     
  7. ClemsonSurf

    ClemsonSurf Well-Known Member

    Dec 10, 2007
    Sounds like a good question for Roy.
     
  8. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Ha hahahahaha!

    Didn't water skiing get invented long ago? I bet someone threw on woodies decades back!!!! We won't be the first
     
  9. RobG

    RobG Well-Known Member

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    Jun 17, 2010
    Dude, OCMD has some really fun bodysurfing spots. I caught a really good swell there in early June and had a blast on the handplane. Too many barrels to count that morning!

    That's exactly why I like a smaller, thinner board for me. Less of a risk of getting sucked over the falls and ripping your arm out of the socket haha. I want just enough to plane on and hold a higher line in the barrel, not a big hunk of wood on my hand.

    In my opinion, the best handplanes on the market are Brownfish Handplanes. Check out his Hobbit model, so sick. They are a little pricey but the craftsmanship and quality is worth the price.
     
  10. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    Haha! Classic.

    Emass: All waterskis used to be made from wood. I learned how to waterski on a set of **** Pope Jr.'s made by Cypress Gardens Waterskis--they were pretty ubiquitous around here. I still have one that we use as decoration in the house but is currently in a room under redecoration. I'll post a pic of it when I get a chance. I used to have an old Cypress Gardens trick ski but it got lost in a move at some point (ie a chitthead roommate probably absconded with it). Those are pretty rare.
     
  11. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    OK, OK!!!!


    B======D Pope
     
  12. rstoup

    rstoup Active Member

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    Jun 25, 2013
    took the fat model out in the water today for the first time. It was a blast shouldve taken some pics maybe next time. Cant tell you the last time I went home with so much sand in every orifice of my body and shorts though.... Ahh the beach break.
     
  13. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    Alright! I finally got a chance to give them a spin for about an hour today in 2.5' @ 10 second low tide waves from 11a-12p right on the South side of Crystal--it was surprisingly lined up pretty nice but a little fat then pitching on the inside.

    I don't have any swim fins at the moment and there was no way I was going to use my 4' long spearing fins without my pink tutu and glow sticks, so I stole my wife's fins..... They're big on her and she wears neoprene socks with them, so I thought I would be ok although tight.... Well.... Let's just say I've got 5 blisters on the tops of my toes that I just ripped off and applied liquid bandage (been a long-time user, best first aid item ever) on top of them. Not sure I have ever felt pain quite so acute--liquid bandage always stings but this was insane. Anyway, back to the ride report...

    I caught about 15 or so waves with each board to see if I could tell a difference in the different bottom designs. The one with the Wenge stringer and the vee through the middle tracked a little more straight than the other with deep single concave and keels--but that was about all I could tell in this preliminary session. Both boards gave me a good bit of speed down the line as they should, I out ran a couple of the mushier waves.

    They both really turned on in the steeper, barreling waves. It was like stepping on the gas as soon as I got in the pocket, I was able to keep up with the barrel until it finally closed out. Again, it didn't matter which board I was using, so I'm sure it's just the effect of using a hand board (which I'd never done before).

    One thing I'm going to do on the next couple I make is to considerably foil the rails. These two have really full rails and I want to see how much a change in that variable affects the performance.

    Here's a pic of them after their maiden voyages:
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    The straps are quick and dirty. I went to a hardware store and got the following: nylon fairleads, 3/8" stainless screws, 4' 1/2" poly strapping and 1/2" strapping buckles. Once I got home I got really safe and pulled out my wife's sewing machine--but it couldn't handle the thickness, so I had to do it by hand. I suck at sewing by hand, so we'll see how long my handiwork lasts. I have yet to cut up an old wetsuit to sew together some sleeves to go over the strapping to make it a little more comfy (even though they are by no means uncomfortable how they are). In any case it should be a nice aesthetic touch. But, at least they are adjustable so my friends with monkey hands and those with "soft hands" can give 'em a go.

    Next time I'm also going to figure out how to put some leash plugs in them--I have to experiment with how much depth I can take out of them without affecting their strength.
     
  14. rstoup

    rstoup Active Member

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    Jun 25, 2013
    nice planes erock!
     
  15. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    Man, this thread got away from me! Thanks Gaff!
    I didn't glass the wooden ones, but I plan to do the loop thing on my next experiments.

    Thanks man! They're performing very nicely.
     
  16. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    Aaaaaaaand speaking of my newest experiments:

    I've got a couple irreparable poly boards hanging around and I've been trying to make some space in my shed, so I got a bright idea this rainy-assed morning. I pulled out this old mini longboard (about 8') my dad found god-knows-where a couple years ago and took it over to the shop with the intent or ripping all the glass off. I grabbed the Dremel, threw on a cutting wheel and sliced a line all the way around the rail line (I'm gong to once again pre-apologize for the poor picture quality and not taking enough photos--I got in a safety-induced zone):

    I think you can see the cut and the crap-tastic wax job on the board
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    Then I ripped all the glass off. The deck came off in almost one piece but the bottom was a b!tch.

    After I stripped the glass, I took a pull saw and ran it down both sides of the stringer then cut each side of the blank down into pieces (no pics :(..)

    I took one side of the nose, pulled out my original fish template then put some scaling marks on it, messed around and eventually came out with a smaller pin tailed blank:
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    I broke out a Sure Form and some 120p sanding screen and set about cutting a serious single concave that runs from the nose then turns into a double barrel vee kind of thing through the tail. I put some really knifed upper foils on it:
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  17. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    Tail View:
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    Front View:
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    This one has almost zero rocker.


    I then figured I could bust another design out while I was feeling inspired, so I took my fish template and traced it onto another block. Instead of doing the fish tail I wanted to do a half-moon so I pulled out a 5 gallon bucket lid, got it lined up and traced it. Then on to cutting the outline:
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    I wanted to try something different again, so I decided to put some nose rocker into this one. After some reference lines and fervent stroking of the Sure Form:
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  18. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    Since I was "doing something different," I decided to put a forward vee on the nose that carries to the rocker's entry point then dug out a large concave in the middle with slightly smaller ones going to the rails.
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    Again, I put some serious knifing into the rail foils:
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    I'm not sure when I'm going to end up glassing these, but I think I'm going to try and shape a couple more designs while I'm at it then glass them all at the same time. I'm thinking I should try some of that bedazzled artsy fartsy chitt and do some experimenting with cloth underlays, resin tints and the like. We'll see.

    I'll post up the other shapes as I make them. It's time for dinner now.
     
  19. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    I'll try and remember to have a real camera on me next time. Those pics SUCK!
     
  20. Erock

    Erock Well-Known Member

    Aug 6, 2011
    Well, I shaped out another wooden one... this one is going to be auctioned off on Friday (12-6) at the Hope From Helen Benefit... Blockade Runner, WB 6:30-9:30 for those in the area interested in attending.

    I used my same old fish template but widened it out by about 1/2" at the widest point as well as lengthening by around 1". I was aiming to make something with more planing surface to use in more mushy waves. I also added a concave deck, more overall concave on the bottom with more flowing transitions, an 80/20 knifed rail at the front entry going to a harder square rail pretty quickly at the mid point and holding through the tail. I also gave it more rocker in the nose. Too bad I will probably never get a chance to see how this one works....

    Hand Board Porn:

    First a couple comparing to my original design:
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    Profile shots:
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