why the south will always rule over new jersey

You guys might have us on the whole calm thing.

 

Now that was a very well timed Tupac reference. Not only was he from Baltimore and NYC, the guys in Baltimore revoked his "gangster" pass and would not allow him on the corners in his own neighborhood (Greenmount Avenue). They did this because he is not a rapper by trade, he was a student of dance. A glorified "fly boy". He didn't attend Dunbar our some rough school, he went to Baltimore school for the arts. I always loved how the west coast embraced a guy as their god of hiphop when the dude only lived there for not even a year before he got clapped up by the guys he left back east and rubbed the wrong way.

fantastic reference sir!

 

This is a FACT

 

I need to ask my neighbor if he's from SC. Going anywhere with him is painful. He might hit 5mph over on a steep bridge on a clear Sunday morning at 8am. Worse part is he's a fireman. Your sh!t is going to burn if he's coming after you.

Which reminds me, why do ambulances go so slow on the interstate? I see them getting passed, with lights on, all the time. "Dude! I'm dying back here! Floor it!" If I'm gonna die I'd rather be up on 2 wheels in a turn than put-putting down the passing lane.

 

Careful, I talked about the 55 in a 65 popularized by some Mainers on 95 and was accused of driving away a forum member that had yet to post much of anything but was said to be holding the key to everlasting stoke for all of us. Shucks. Anywayz, just a heads up BE. Don't want you getting flamed. Maybe they're slowing down to wave to the smokes driving alongside them in the middle lane. If you know ASL or she's got a piece of paper and marker, you could score her SI forum name that way.

 

Emass, can you delete a PM or two for me, your box is full.

 

Allow a third party representative - myself - to settle this. I live right in between NJ and the Mason-Dixon Line, where the two worlds border. Yeah, Jersey's got the attitude problem, but the south is just straight up racist in many more places.

But as for the cooking, well yeah, the south has great BBQ and some good fried s***. And BBQ and fried s*** are great. But let's face it, that stuff doesn't require much skill or finesse. Any ***hole can put a slab of meat over a low flame for 12 hours and make it taste awesome. Ever watch BBQ Pitmasters? Some of those guys are so damn inbred and slow and like, "Yeh, my daddy been doin' it dis way, an' his daddy been doin' it dis way fo' yeaaaars. We jes take da meat and put it on the fire." No finesse necessary.

But man, NJ's got some damn good grub. Excellent Italian food, man. Excellent. And no, you're not going to find good Italian down south. And as an ex-NYer, I can say that Jersey's pizza is just as superb. Pizza in the south is s***.

I've had good BBQ north of the Mason-Dixon, but you can't find good Italian until you hit Florida...where all the ex-NYers go to die.

 

Ummm, I just checked a list for the 100 best restaurants in America 2012 and a Top 30 list for 2013......

Ahhh, New York City had the most of any city.....by FARRRRR. Not even close. Not even close.

Also, I haven't watched Honey Boo Boo is awhile, but watched an episode last night. Now y'all can say what you want aboot orange tans, fist pumping, steriod abuse, and guido attitudes, but that episode of Honey Boo Boo made me physically sick. I was really getting disgutsed by it all.

And I think that family is a fairly accurate depiction and characterzation of most southern households.

The proof speaks for itself.

 

NYC will always have the most top rated restaurants. They get the most press. NY still has very little of its own food culture. Most of what it has going for it, is the fact that other cultures end up there and bring their food with them. However, this can be seen in every large city in the US. NY is not original, it is just larger than most cities.

 

I have lived in Italy. The south does have good Italian. To say otherwise tells me you have little experience down here. I will put some of our Italian chefs up against any in NY/NJ.

 

So the people in the south just rose form the ashes, indiginous to the area and started BBQ? That's not a southern specific food, it's just a way to cook food that was eaten by all sorts of Europeans, Asians, Africans. Is that original?

Well it don't really concern me either ways. There's good pizza everywhere except Canada. I'm no gourmet son of a b!tch, though I do like that Gordon Ramsey dude. Though, The Crap Trap in Somers Point, NJ is the best. F NY, or SF or anywhere.

Now Mr. Engineer, what say you aboot Honey Boo Boo?

 

Better is a subjective term. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Why don't you guys smear that black and white into grey and embrace the brotherhood of mankind?

 

http://www.travelandleisure.com/articles/best-italian-restaurants-in-the-us/1
If we didn't have good Italian, we wouldn't have top rated restaurants.

 

Honey Boo Boo? You mean that fat lump of child, that is a direct result of child abuse? No worse than Snookie, IMO. At least the poor kid can claim no fault in her own demise. She was raised by a human thumb to be stupid, fat, and obnoxious. All those asshole jersey guidos are adults and should know better.

 

The fact that NYC has over 8 million people has to be taken into account. Its like reading any statistic in the world. Murder and crime is based on 100,000 people per city or area, not the over all crime rates. For instance, Baltimore has upwards of 300 murders per year, so does new york. Baltimore only has 600,000 residents. NYC has 8 million, so while a few more people may get killed in NYC, the per capita numbers are WAY lower.

So, it does not surprise me that a random restaurant review article has a large portion of NYC/Manhattan locations. But those are unreliable statistics.

I was at the charleston aquarium last week, and they had sand tiger sharks in a tank. A little kid asked about how dangerous sharks are, and the scuba diver responded with the generic answer, something like "There are 7 billion people on earth, in 2012, only 8 were killed by sharks and only 84 were injured. So, out of the worlds population, that is a very low number"... But these are all BS stats. out of 7 billion people, more than 6 billion probably never touch ocean water annually, and within those numbers, 99% of people may swim one day on vacation or put their toes in the water as they walk along the shore. There are probably less than a million people on earth, such as fisherman, divers, islanders, surfers and waterman that put themselves in a situation to be attacked by a shark....

so, what does all that mean? Yeah, out of 8 million people, there better be some good cuisine... But when you have a place like Charleston, that doesn't even have 250,000 people in the city, and they have 5 world class restaurants, that is like NYC having 160.... So, I would not follow basic numbers and random reviews, probably published by a company in the north east...

And yes, Barbeque is regional. Yes, you can smoke or slow cook food anywhere. They have been doing it for thousands of years. But the techniques, sauces and execution are all regional in different parts of the south. From collards, to hushpuppies, to hoppin johns, to low country boils, to oyster roasts, to craw-dads (The rats of the sea), to me catching shrimp right here in local waters on a daily, to me pulling blue crab traps off my pier each day, the south has things that are from the south. That were trademarked here.

NYC is like New Orleans in the south. Yes, you have cajun and creole food. But that all has french influence and isn't from the south. Yes, they put their twist on it, but that is foreign food that is served in the south... Most cuisine in NYC is the same way....

The only thing I know that NYC is known for is, thin sliced 1 ounce portions of ahi tuna, on a plate with a dash of some roasted pepper puree on a plate that is being served for $65.00.... Its a melting pot of international cuisine.

But rather than debating all this city vs city, north vs. south stuff, we have only heard generic answers...

Aside from decent pizza, italian carry out, good bagels and a few nice delis (none of which are regional NYC cuisine), what exactly are some of the staples of the big apple? What food started there? What techniques? What have people from NYC taken from other cultures and made their own through customization? Rather than bashing all other metro areas, lets take a closer look at the big apple and whats actually coming out of that city....

 

OK, maybe I'm generalizing there. And no, I have never lived in the south, just spent a little time in Georgia and the Carolinas. But I've also heard of you guys putting sugar in your tomato sauce...that's a bit questionable.

Every food culture in the world is a fusion of other cultures. The massive variety of culture is exactly what puts NYC in the lead in innovation and fusion. Even southern food is a fusion of African, Scots-Irish, French, Native American, etc.

 

Here is some information for you. I am not sure what source was used to look at all these "popular" restaurants in the country, most of which you say are from New York...

I googled: top 10 restaurants in America....

This was the first credible link (Not produced by the media) It is from Opentable, the largest restaurant community on the internet in the world... These are rankings and reviews from the masses, both good and bad, not some article in the new york times...

Opentable is the most credible online source for restaurants and reviews in the world. Period.

Here is a link....

http://www.opentable.com/promo.aspx?pid=358

Look at this: #1, San Francisco.... #2 San Diego....

6 out of the top 10 are from the west coast. Only 1, count them ONE is from NYC out of the top 10... 2 are from San Fran and a total of 6 are west coast, with one in VA, one in NC...

But as you can see, if you look at public, collective data, and not some regional media publication, the point I am trying to make looks pretty clear....

If you did the same search in the 80s, if there was an internet =), yes, Manhattan would be at the top of the list, but the big apple has fallen from grace a long time ago.... Not only in the USA, but there are 10 other countries that boast being better cities, which would have never happened 20 years ago.

 

gotta agree here. NYC restaurants mostly serve foods based around bread, cheese and pasta. very bland and flavorless. perfect for people who love to complain about everything.

kinda hard to compete with CA when it comes to anything food related. it's called the 'fertile crescent' for good reason. NYC doesn't even have real, undocumented mexicans to make food. lol. and when it comes to seafood...once again, not even close.