why merica is the best country in the world and best at everythang.

I think you are getting too worked up over this, Billy boy. I don't hate government, I hate politicians. Obama is no worse than any of the last 4 presidents. I pay a lot of taxes, and appreciate services like public roadways and school systems. That doesn't mean I can't dream about other ways of living. Humans, in general, are too stupid to live without governing.

 

And I agree that what you describe above would not work...and I wouldn't want it to work. but that is not Anarchy. I guess this needs to be a topic on the next "Are you smarter than a 5th grader" show...

 

paddington jetty bear is fearful of taking responsibility for his life and relies on the gvt, without it he is scared

try doing some research, look into non agression..... it amazing how fearful and statist (and secretly violent) you are.

People dont need authority to organize.

Would you like us to logically deconstruct your (non) arguments?

I see that you are somewhat lost and haven't cleared the cobwebs as you still look into the dem vs republican false paradigm

generally your posts are funny and snarky, but you are lost here

 

Humans are not too stupid to live without governance.
This is a myth
yes i am yelling
yes there are dumb people

 

I don't think it is a myth. Unless religion disappeared, along with greed, we would always have battles. Governments are the authority to keep idiots from harming others. Yes, they often go too far, but people cannot be trusted to police themselves in the real world.

 

police clearly cannot be trusted either, Calling them often makes a bad situation worse

religion is a social sickness, loving everyone as your brother is right on, but the rest of the garbage should go away

greed can be regulated by the free market, I could go into detail, but its beyond the scope if this thread, please look it up if you are genuinely interested, Im sure BBG or myself could om you details

 

Ahh boy......

Yes, please decontruct my arguments.

Dude, you sound like some deluded cult leader selling this vision of unicorns and rainbows.......ANd what do you have to show for it so far. What have YOU done to enact change?

Yeah, I hate that it's all aboot Dems and Repubs, but the general public ain't changing that anytime soon. So I have to work with what I am presented with. And some dudes chanting anarchy ain't going to disrupt our political spectrum either.

Dems and repubs ain't a false paradigm it's reallity........right, I know they are all working together and creating an illusion with their partisan bickering to keep us fooled.....right. Keep the public angered and at each others' throats while they make money and weild power.......Yeah, I've heard that before.....kind of like the College-Know-It-All- Hippy Doctrine........

I'm not scared to be without the government. I really would like to see you guys pull that off. I'm lazy (YEAH PUMPMASTER, give me some hand-outs), so I'll sit back and watch you overthrow the government and start from scratch. Should be an interesting time.

Dude, they've(the gov) been arresting me and incarcerating me back in my old life. They are actually my sworn enemy in principle......And I've NEVER been on welfare and I collected unemployment(which I payed into) for a wooping 6 months in my entire life.

I ain't violent. I haven't shot or stabbed anybody. I have no violent offenses. I'm actually very peaceful, though I do harbor fanatasies of killing those in power who are BAD. But they are just fantasies.........just fantasies.

 

Oh please......please explain how greed can be regulated by the free market. Stop telling us how you "CAN" support your arguments, but never do. No links either......you explain it.

Hey, you must have some really good acid. What did you just read a Charlie Manson book or something? Dude, The Summer of Love is long gone. This vision you have is so disconnected from reality it's crazy.

Dude, I'll make you a bet. I bet you can NOT take twenty people and run a well-organized commune based upon this anarchist doctrine you espouse. If in one year you have a beautiful community, then I'll be slightly sold......

Dude, you know that people have tried this sh!t before....maybe you just heard aboot the 1960's and listened to Working Class Hero by John Lennon for the first time ........but it's been tried before.

Guess what? It didn't work......

 

despite it all, the lack of welfare and relatively modest amount of unemployment you have received notched a bit of respect in my book then man. makeitstop is on to something though, there are far too many voters checking off the box for a handout, entitlement, or union-based incentive from the government. in my eyes, the best flame-under-the-asz is taking it away, then watching motivated productivity take off. teach a man to fish, don't just give it to him.

 

If our society was more like surfing - a meritocracy - the best get the best waves - then all the kooks would be picking berries on the side of the road and living in tents or under bridges. And the predator fish would be preying on the weak and the clueless. Oh, that sounds different than reality here in America.

We do have good waves: Pipeline, Wiamea, Malibu, Mavs, Blacks, Montuak, Tres Palmas, OBX. Our women are bodacious. Our food is a multicultural smorgasbord. It is all here in the motherland. If you don't like it, leave it mutha ****as.

 

Oh and why do people think I'm angry? I ain't angry.

And to those who cry aboot entitlements.......

I've learned something in life: When you think things are going one way and you NEVER expect something to happen.......well it just might. Probably will......maybe...then again maybe it won't

People who complain aboot social saftey nets may in ten years be financially destroyed and living in the projects, collecting welfare, foodstamps and mass reproducing children.

IT CAN HAPPEN. YOU AREN'T SAFE.

Your world can collapse in an instant.............and you repubs are supposed to be Jesus freaks. Well, Jesus ain't greedy and upset at those who need help.

Ok, I'm Honda 2500.....................

 

way to bring back around to Surfing!

Surfing, that art we all love. Without being forced to love or practice it! That's all we saying! And you know what! The only thing that stood in the way of us haoles knowing about Surfing even earlier than we did was that the ancient Hawaiians were FORCED to not practice it for such a long time by well-meaning-have your best interest in mind-Government types just like so many people here in the good ole USA love to worship.

Worship on!

 

Alright! You win! There's no way anyone can counter an argument with that many "Dude"'s in it!

 

so BBG do we provide links and docs that demonstrate the value of voluntarism?
its kinda hard to provide a feast of knowledge for those that only wish to nibble at candy bars

PJB is quite the statist, he doesnt even know how statist he is

He's so haole he doesnt even know he's haole!

 

Battles imply War. Only State Govts can wage War. No body is saying that VIOLENCE will end with Anarchy. You guys jump too far in linking the need for Government (which would exist in Anarchy!!) and THE STATE (which is the main enemy of Anarchy ). That's a crucial distinction.

 

I guess dreaming of a better world is a waste of time
Dreaming of flight 150 years ago seemed foolish. look at us now

 

Not needed Sir.... Like I wrote earlier...and this is the only point needed for a Surfing crowd....Surfing is with us as an activity today despite HUGE obstacles placed before it by State Government apparatus(i) (es)?
If surfers wanna worship the State...then they must know that they will worship at the altar that tried to KILL OUR FAVORITE PASTIME!!
Great discussion guys! keep your minds open!

 

Just like just before Slavery was abolished a huge question on American minds on the issue was "But who will pick the cotton???"
fast forward to---------------->
"But Who will build the roads???"

 

All political systems look good on paper, it's the implementation by greedy men that screws everything up.

 

But we sure did get way off topic...I guess it woulda helped early on to simply state that Libertarians / Anarchists alike wish for a type of government that is MORAL and CONSISTENTLY MORAL. Call that what you will. This comes from the common sense notion that if Government is to be composed of and for the regulation of members of a certain group of people (a Society you could say) then MORALLY that Government body can have only the same rights as do individuals in the society it governs. No more or less. The problem in today's version of Government writ large, is that Government pretends or asserts to have MORE or EXTRA rights than its constituent parts (citizens) do. So morally, I can't steal from PJB to buy him an insurance policy, or steal from DawnPatrolSUP to "protect" him from the next Vietcong ...but Uncle Sam can. I can't (and wouldn't want to!) kill or euthanize or sterilize someone bc they are retarded or are "having too many babies" but the government can, did, and will do again. So no Utopian visions here...just a want to be Free from the voodoo that "they" do. It really is voodoo.