I'm getting me some Obamacare

Hey aren't we surfers? Aren't we supposed to be grunting and talking aboot wetsuits or something?

 

Do it, put up a webcam and link it to this thread, that way we can all watch and then vote for the winner, loser leaves town (PJB you got this HAHA)

 

the length of this thread is proportional to the length of the EC flat spell.

 

I'll keep you away from the PJ's if you keep me away from the ladies of the night...and a fine debate will be had.

 

The Charlestonia area is far from flat today. Too bad I am on a plane heading to Deutchland.

 

this sounds like a good old fashioned NJ bench-off! And if so I'd definitely lose. I'm pretty skinny. plus I'd be too busy hitting on the hotties vying for Miss America to be any good at a debate anyway... Libertarians are Anarchists who feel that the Anarchy word is misunderstood too much (AND IT IS) to use in everyday life... so that's why I interchange it so much...

 

we're sposed to be passing around joints...but then again that's against the LAW of this great effed in the A land!

 

Anarchists/Libertarians KNOW for CERTAIN that people can't get along...you dont or can't seem to realize however that when you have a coercive government like we have (and every other country in the world at the moment) only those people that you describe above (the power hungry, the violent, the greedy) will "rise to the top" take over power, then WRITE a bunch of laws to protect their positions and then enslave us all. The only way to limit power is to limit it. It's not that hard to grasp. If you're gonna have government that has the power to do whatever it wants (and if you've ever read the Constitution that's basically what it says, Congress has the power to do whatever it wants) , it will do whatever it wants. That's tyranny. anarchy is the only defense against this.

 

So If I may be allowed to sum up the arguments made by both "sides" they go like this...

One argument is pro-government, and relies on the notion that it's PRACTICAL to have government NO MATTER what the RESULTS of that Government or the moral implications of that Government is..

prac·ti·cal
ˈpraktikəl/

1.
of or concerned with the actual doing or use of something rather than with theory and ideas.


The other case is is anti-government, and is simply a MORAL case. Because anyone can deduce that it is Immoral to steal, kill, and enslave.

mo·ral·i·ty
məˈralətē,mô-/
noun
noun: morality

1.
principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior.


Remember it was always PRACTICAL to keep slavery going in this country...never MORAL. Same goes for segregation in the south.... thanks gain for reading along

 

Actually BBG, you cite being enslaved by those who weild power. How are you "enslaved?" I don't like many of our laws, but I'm not enslaved. I can pretty much pick-up, wander aboot, and do anything I want. Dude, they don't even enforce vagrancy laws anymore. So you identify with a black dude in the 1950's in Alabama or even one in 1840?

And some libertarianism dudes want to be a political party and some of them desire no state. So, you dudes can't even get your own doctrine unified. How's that going to play out?

And let's get real here. Anarchy is aboot doing what you want, to whoever you want without a police or government agency getting at you. It's no rules. And college hippy types act like people will be responsible and good to one another. HA !! Watch five episodes of The Young Ones and then tell me how ridiculous is Rik. He was one of them anarchy people. Vyvyan should have killed him, while he had the chance. Listening to Cliff Richards, proclaiming to be the "Peoples' Poet" and screaming anarchy just ain't cool.

Some day, come up to the Philadelphia viewing area and watch Channel 6 Action News with Rick Williams, Monica Malpass, and Jim Gardner for a week, and see humanity at its best. Did you know that Channel 6 Action News(local ABC afiliate) was the first news program to have on-scene reporters. Cathy Gandolfo went hard. I saw her once in Mt. Holly, NJ and I yelled at her. It was good.

 

Buahaha, dude where do you come up with this stuff!!!? hilarious

 

You cant wonder anywhere you want, try wandering around FT Dix, cant you here the mortars firing from Hammonton? and you are enslaved, try keeping 100% of the fruits of your labors, you cant

saying taxes are voluntary is like saying you make love to your rapist. PJB you are funny, but not a good debater. if it is a comedy-off in AC, you will win, if its logic, you've clearly been smoked, like salmon in AK

 

PJB says : Anarchy is aboot doing what you want, to whoever you want without a police or government agency getting at you. It's no rules.

YOU ARE WRONG

An is without
Archon MEANS Ruler in greek

ruler, not rules, I dont think any man is my ruler....a woman on the other hand.....

You don't even know what the words mean, yet you fire off comedic tidbits and your legions of fans slurp you up
you are a fool and a clown, its that simple

JEEZUUS CHRISTOS is 445 I havent even had my coffee yet and Im more cogent than you on your best day

 

"enslave" is a rather harsh term I agree... a bit heavy...
ok I'll define slavery as the lack of freedom to do with your "property" what you will. i.e. taking 100% of the fruits of someones labor.

We are not there yet. but taking anything from 10% to 30-40% (case depending and it's been as high as 60%) of the fruits of someones labor via an INCOME TAX is getting there. cmon people. do you really buy this mumbo-jumbo about "taxes being voluntary"??? You guys are in the dream world if you do.

 

I'll hand it to you PJB you may be the best surfer on the planet because you've been duck-diving thru and around 23 foot waves of logic all week!

Yes we will agree with you all day that our current system is PRACTICAL and functional (esp when it comes to warfare and corporate welfare) . You've never answered how it is moral or justified in any other sense.

Again it is practical to put everyone who is currently unemployed to work via some govt program that forces everyone to go out and sweep the streets in front of their house. BUT is it MORAL to do so?

 

of course I identify with oppressed black, white, red, or purple people! Who do you think was WRITING THE LAWS THAT KEPT THESE PEOPLE 2ND CLASS CITIZENS?!!? It certainly wasn't Proctor and Gamble. It was The US Govt backed by the "legitimacy' of the US Constitution. SAme enemy , different time brother.

 

The smallest minority is the individual


and the system is NOT FUNCTIONAL, just ask any myriad of minorities or small business owners.
You get a higher sentence for selling raw milk (cause big ag cant make money) than for raping someone

 

and PJB, my wife kicked me out of the house last year for a few days...she found naked pics on my cell phone....of Monica Malpass

 

haha but dude you are funny. I've played in touring bands for 15 years. I've played alot of dives in PHilly...The Khyber, The Fire, Manhattan Room, KungFu Necktie ... I f$cking love that town. Love having to back your van up real close to the car behind you so your gear can't get (so easily) stolen out the back window while you crash on the floor of the opening bands garage somewhere off in Fishtown... sweet place. Mostly Real sweet people too.

 

this forum is pretty funny.i never thought id see obummercare go to 24pages,bravo.our country is messed up,butt its still better than every other country.our gov is closed,but they are still passing bills to pay the workers who are on temporary leave.am i the only one who thinks wtf?!!iv been stuck in jersey too long and i think jersey sucks,just my opinion.where i live sucks.the cops suck.the laws suck.ted cruz sucks.the people in charge of the american budget,where we can spend 6billion a month on war,but cant pay somebodies medical bills or not shut down.a few months ago we were ready to bomb syria,wtf happened?we had money for 2.5million dollar cruise missiles,but now the gov is on lockdown because republicans dont want affordable healthcare.i just want to live somewhere where i can smoke my pot in peace,surf without crowds or army dix of engineers messing with the sand.i dont ask for much,taking the sandbars away is a kick in the nutz.its like going to smoke a joint and the stores no longer carry e z widers or dutches.we got the boards,got the beaches,but no damn sandbars.i honestly want to move to france.i thought about mexico but its dangerous,and i like being around white people.it would be nice to own a home in mexico where i can go stay for a few weeks out of the year.go look up the real estate near puerto escondido,its incredible.for a peice of shyt trailer of a home youd get in nj,for that same price youll have a big 3 story house on a mountain with an inground pool overlooking the ocean for around 250k.thats a fukin deal,but i dont want to live permanently in mexico.france on the other hand,they have great waves,hot girls,beautiful landscape and archeticture,and america isnt going to invade them.u go move to a place like bali,who america claims is an al queda hotspot,even tho i never seen it,but i never been there,and u can get blown up by a drone.also i wouldnt want to live in asia,i like being with my own kind.if we were still in the 1980s id move to hawaii.i hate being in a crowded town.i just want to live near the beach with a neighbor thats 3 miles away and its me,my girls,and my dogs.thats my american dream