A Roy board for Charles

Discussion in 'Surfboards and Surfboard Design' started by Cuck Taylor, Oct 6, 2013.

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  1. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Maybe, but making the wave successfully is another matter.

    I have had countless sessions during which regular longboards and their riders have been unable to achieve a successful ride.

    That's just the way it is and it can't be changed by your protests. Of course since you no doubt have never confronted such superior boards in the water, it is natural that you doubt what I'm saying. The waves I'm speaking of you would probably imagine to be unrideable for a variety of reasons.

    The fashion based design aims of the malibu types come at a price un terms of wave making ability in many conditions.

    It is entirely possible and happens frequently, but I'm not just talking about catching the waves I'm also talking about making them.

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  2. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Catching and riding a wave makes it successful to me. Do you realize you are arguing with a South Carolinian about abilities to successfully ride a tiny choppy wave? We are masters of the trash surf. That's all we get for weeks at a time. And local shapers build boards that are made to ride these waves. They are very different that the Malibu style that you have mostly experienced. I am not sure what you mean by fashion based designs. If anything, I think your board is the one putting looks ahead of function. The LB's I surf are big and ugly, and that is just what I like.

    BTW, there hasn't been an "unrideable" wave day here. Any day that there is even an ankle high ripple, I can ride the wave. You make wild claims for someone who has probably not traveled to the US EC and experienced our waves.
     
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  3. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    Show me please.


    Small weak short period waves also occur here, you don't have a monopoly on them.
     
  4. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I've never in my life changed the shape of a board for the sake of looks.
     
  5. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    These are shapes that work best in the trash we get on the east coast, and they have been shaped by guys that know our breaks better than anyone.

    However, since I know we have more of these days than NZ, I would say we have a bit more experience. As a side note, our local Roy-style board (built by Steve) didn't seem to work well in our typical small mushy waves.
     
  6. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013

    While I like the board at the top, the general shape and size of the boards you are showing are nothing unusual here, and frankly the wouldn't get a look in on many days which are perfectly rideable on the kind of craft I'm making. I'm sure you get to take off some where at some point but would often not get very far.
     
  7. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    I have plenty of experience with Allison boards. I have never had a problem catching and riding waves of any size. And I can ride it all the way to the beach, if I wanted to. However, I usually cut the ride short to spare the fin. I would love to see videos of these waves you think are only rideable with your boards.
     
  8. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    I've been here before, keyboard experts claim that they could definitely not only ride those waves but do moves as well.... too easy to say, not easy to do.

    The difference is that I surf all the time along with people riding the usual range of equipment, so I know what happens, whereas as you have never surfed with me on one of my boards, so are just hoping, assuming, and guessing.

    So, you are in no position to judge... but no problem just call it anyway.
     
  9. Roy Stuart

    Roy Stuart Well-Known Member

    Jan 27, 2013
    The balsa board looks like it would do very well for the size and be pretty versatile so I'm not knocking your experience with it. The others look a bit clunky in the planshape but it is hard to tell from the pics. By the way there are many Allisons in my immediate family.
     
  10. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Your problem is that you are always making claims with no video evidence to prove anything. If we are going on hearsay, Clemson can back me up on our normal conditions in this area and how rideable they are with EC boards. He can also attest to the less than stellar performance of the Steve-Roy board in these conditions. He never claimed it was a bad board, but didn't work well in Washout (Folly) mush.
     
  11. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Are you schitting me??? We stare at flat water. For weeks at a time. BE is down in the Carolinas. They get bumps there even when they think it's flat. It's still real small kine, though, some of the time. However, your proxemics to Antarctic swell makes your attempts at identifying with us here in New England hilarious. You're in Oceania while our ocean could damn near freeze over for pond hockey if our winter were like the summer.

    You can whittle you ark and I'll let you be, but don't be saying you're victimized by no flatness. Get a haircut hipster.
     
  12. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    Brew master, having had a life long experience on a Malibu shape in east coast marginal wind swell mush has made me very aware of this issue of being able to punch through the mush to keep into the wave braking section. That said it is in my opinion that any craft which can keep enough volume to stay buoyant through a slower mushy crumble section will work well around here. That's encompassing Malibu long boards , thick fish boards, sups, and yes even a Roy designed olo. You must realize that Roy has many designs , some thicker some thinner, varying rail shapes (50/50, 80/20, 70/30..etc) the varying shape will affect the the ride in any given condition. For example this makaha board I've built is excellent for a fast hollow waves with some size, without the fast clean wave I find that it has a hard time making it's true speed, but it's really the wave size that I find affects it mostly, the bigger the better obviously. But don't get me wrong I've surfed the makaha in knee to waist and it picks up everything but is it the best board for that, not in my opinion. I'm sure one of Roy's many designs would fit that knee to waist day perfectly.

    As for the Malibu, they catch east coast waves well and it's fun. But so is this 10-9 makaha of mine. It fits in quite well on York beach so far, it was such a thrill last Friday on the clean wind swell we were blessed with. Fast through the section and it did exactly what it's meant to do.

    As for the Steve board, it's not fair to attribute its performance to Roy's designs. After all it's designed by Steve. Plan shape, rocker, rail shape, fin set up, and other factors affect Steve's board. These small details make wild differences.

    So for any of you guys who wanna try my proper Roy board just come to York beach and send me a pm. It's Roy approved so you know it's good.
     
  13. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
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    Yup, that's me. This is what I do at work.
     
  14. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Duuuuuuuude!

    Forum Platinum & without question HOF material as a first-ever photo on SI!
     
  15. yankee

    yankee Well-Known Member

    Sep 26, 2008
    Will there be a bonfire....?
     
  16. Cuck Taylor

    Cuck Taylor Well-Known Member

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    Jul 6, 2013
    Admin swing the hammer. This guy is posting pictures of his crap and feeling very proud.

    You must work for the federal government seldom. Just sitting around collecting tax dollars, taking massive dumps and feeling accomplished.
     
  17. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Are you so far up Roy's bum that you can't comprehend what he posts. He didn't say his board performed as better than all other long boards in small crappy waves. He also stated his boards would work when others would not. Wild assumptions based on his limited experience with our better east coast shapes or any experience with US waves. It is one thing to say "my board should perform as well as other long boards based on what I have experienced." It is another thing to say "my board performs better than all long board shapes in all conditions." Get it? I know for a fact, that if there are waves, I will have a successful ride with a decent long board. I am not even a good surfer, but I know crappy waves very well. I surf them 12 months out of the year. I am ecstatic when the waves are waist high and semi-clean. Charleston isn't the worst surf area, but we are far from the best. But is still get out there and surf, even when it is ankle high mush.
     
  18. Sandblasters

    Sandblasters Well-Known Member

    May 4, 2013
    dude are you kidding me as dude said you cant argue with some one for sc about ridding a choppy ankle high wave...we own that **** and can ride them better then anymore and shred. no matter what you say i guess us easter coasters can destroy ourwaves and your waves, but if you came to surf here your telling me you can ride a one foot chopped out pos wave...typical roy suart...frekin rookie.
     
  19. seldom seen

    seldom seen Well-Known Member

    Aug 21, 2012
    Thank you sir, trying to think outside the box. Admin please don't listen to Chuck I'll stop.
     
  20. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    do moves? wtf?

    is that like 'making the sex' ?

    I just want to see a regular schmoe in shotty surf turn the board....is that too much to ask?
     
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