"Film = Jobs" = Classic Libertarian philosphy

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  1. babybabygrand

    babybabygrand Well-Known Member

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    I've spent the last day or two in a contemplative mood because of being bed-ridden with the flu. In my downtime it occurred to me that most people don't know that they're Libertarians when in actuality they are. Take for instance, In Wilmington (and probably in other towns/states that have a healthy film industry-supported by film incentives that grant special tax breaks to film companies ) you see alot of these bumper stickers on cars and shop windows and sometimes you see them on pregnant womens stomachs (see pic) . I don't think many people who support film incentives understand that they are actually advocating strongly for Libertarian principles, no matter which one of the Red or Blue parties they support every 4 years or so. How so you ask? Well when the mantra is rewritten as such: "Low taxes = Jobs" It becomes clearer that what Libertarians have been advocating all along (low taxes bring prosperity) holds true. So party on all you closeted Libertarians! One day you'll see that the 3rd way...freedom ...is the only way to have prosperity again. thanks for reading.[​IMG]
     
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  2. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    My only problem with libertarians, is they traditionally back the GOP candidates in big elections. So they are essentially part of the 2 party mess. I wish we had real libertarian and independent candidates. I may actually vote then.
     

  3. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    I agree BE, Rand Paul is a fake toolbag
     
  4. natkitchen

    natkitchen Well-Known Member

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    Wow Doug, nice link.
     
  5. babybabygrand

    babybabygrand Well-Known Member

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    totally agree yall
     
  6. Losttsol

    Losttsol Well-Known Member

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    Rand Paul is a Tea Party Republlican, not a Libertarian. Don't make the mistake of thinking they are the same, because they are definitely not.
     
  7. Scarecrow

    Scarecrow Well-Known Member

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    All 50 states should stop film industry incentives. It's just typical publicize the costs and privatize the profit bull****, just what you'd expect in this corporatocracy that we live in.

    And if every state eliminated the tax breaks, they'd still make their films and TV shows somewhere and there'd still be jobs created.
     
  8. ioman2

    ioman2 Active Member

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    Oct 28, 2013
    yes, and that place is called Canada!
     
  9. babybabygrand

    babybabygrand Well-Known Member

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    I have to admit I'm not for film incentives..I'm for across the board tax cuts...I was just hoping to make the point that most people who favor these incentives can't make the next logical step to seeing that if it holds true that film businesses prefer paying less taxes and send alot of their business to low tax states (which history and econ 101 proves is obviously true) , that other businesses (eco-tourism, hotels, basically anything...you name it) would also benefit from low tax rates and employment would rise dramatically. Again you can have well funded state apparatuses (which require high taxes) OR you can have high employment in the free market. you can't have both. One is naturally and logically parasitic on the other.
     
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  10. babybabygrand

    babybabygrand Well-Known Member

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    I'm no fan of factions but, there is a Libertarian Party. It's growing every year
     
  11. Sniffer

    Sniffer Well-Known Member

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    I come to this site to find flat conditions persisting and Politics/Religious threads...awesome. Im going to clean my gun now.
     
  12. brewengineer

    brewengineer Well-Known Member

    Jun 22, 2011
    Yet its members vote Republican over and over.
     
  13. pinkstink

    pinkstink Well-Known Member

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    While I agree with you that corporate tax rates are too high, I don't agree with your logic here. Giving a tax break to the film industry doesn't really create jobs so much as attract them to a particular state. They're going to film the movie somewhere so really you're just stealing the jobs away from wherever else they may have gone. A lot of folks also question how much money the filming of a movie really brings to a local economy. Without going into too much detail, it seems like a stupid policy. IMO, libertarian philosophy sounds great until you get into the nitty gritty stuff like social welfare programs and foreign policy.
     
  14. HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI

    HARDCORESHARTHUFFER-RI Well-Known Member

    Sep 17, 2013
    so, libertarian philosophy on foreign policy is basically, 'leave people alone',

    currently our foreign policy is 'give us yo sheet (natural resources) fo free o cheap o we gonna buss a cap up in thar!'

    whats wrong with leaving people alone pinkstink
     
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  15. babybabygrand

    babybabygrand Well-Known Member

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  16. babybabygrand

    babybabygrand Well-Known Member

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    so appeasing the Military Industrial Complex and the government created poor are more important to people than putting people to work? Now I can see why we're in the mess we're in.
     
  17. Losttsol

    Losttsol Well-Known Member

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    It's not even worth getting in an argument with a liberal over the social welfare system. Liberals are convinced that it helps people. They don't understand that it is actually designed to control the population. Expanding it's grasp gives government more power, thus there is no incentive to reduce it.
     
  18. BeachCruiser01

    BeachCruiser01 Well-Known Member

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    Offering tax incentives is not Libertarian principal. At its base, Libertarians oppose taxation in all forms. Specifically they call for an end subsidies such as "film credits". It is an aberration of the free market. Simply put "picking winners and losers."

    Ballot access is a lame excuse. Where Libertarians have ballot access, they fail miserably. The VA Governers race had a Libertarian on the ballot. He received 7% of the vote (I think?). Libertarian election success' are few and far between. "Free markets, all the time is the answer." doesn't sell well to the masses that happen to like their public parks, beaches, roads, and mail service. Think Libertarians would support you keeping your beach access or local beach park? Think again.

    I have been waiting for the Libertarian revolution for over 25 years now. If you have ever attended a Libertarian meeting, you will see why they have never soared as a party.

    The bright spot is Gary Johnson. He managed to get 1% of the Presidential vote this last cycle. This percentage is usually in the .3 to .4%. So there's that.
     
  19. BeachCruiser01

    BeachCruiser01 Well-Known Member

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    You know what really controls the population? Keeping wages low, so low people can just barely pay their bills but keep you in debt. Not enough to lose your house, but just above that level. And don't pay them too much, lest they become powerful and demand what the executives get as perks. (Health insurance, golden parachutes, company car, etc.)

    If they act up just give em the old song and dance about how increased wages will cost jobs.