What fins for the new stick

Discussion in 'All Discussions' started by desinaner, Nov 16, 2013.

  1. desinaner

    desinaner Member

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    Dec 24, 2012
    Had a trip to cali recently and I brought a Neckbeard back with me to NJ. Psyched!

    It's just a thruster set up and I don't have future fins for it. CI recommends the Al Merrick template- hexagons, so I assume they are talking about the am-1 and am-2s honeycombs.

    Obviously they're just trying to sell their fins, so who knows if it actually works best with the board. However, I've read a lot of good things about the fins so I'd like to try them out.

    I am almost 6'2, and a little over 160 usually (I'm starting to lift though, so I should be getting a little heavier).

    For those of you who have tried these fins, do you think the am-2s are a little too much fin for me and I should go with the am-1s? The neckbeard seems to be a loose board though so I wouldn't mind if it had a little more hold.

    Also, is there a different between shaper's am-1s/am-2s and future fins am-1/am-2s?

    EX:
    http://surfshop.com/online/almerric... Future Fins&gclid=CMSpmeza6roCFS8OOgodFRgAcw

    http://www.surfoutlet.com/ProductDe...ampaign=shopzilla.com&Click=2599355#color=209
     
  2. KookieMonster

    KookieMonster Well-Known Member

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    Jan 13, 2012
    I usually just buy the fins that people tell me to buy. Ride Kellys on Merricks I heard.
     

  3. Dawn_Patrol

    Dawn_Patrol Well-Known Member

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    Jan 26, 2007
    Shapers Fins is an Australian company that makes a bunch of fins in Futures and FCS templates. They seem fine based on a couple sets I've had. I think Futures are made in California. I would say there is little or no difference between the two fin sets you linked to.
     
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  4. KookieMonster

    KookieMonster Well-Known Member

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    Jan 13, 2012
    I find the fastest fins match the color of the board
     
  5. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    I didn't like how swept back the AM template is - draws turns out too much for me. AM's are supposedly good for decent size point break, but I prefer a more upright fin like the WCT for standard beach break.
     
  6. KookieMonster

    KookieMonster Well-Known Member

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    Jan 13, 2012
    Honeycomb is the best of all combs.
     
  7. Zman9398

    Zman9398 Well-Known Member

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    May 16, 2012
    I love Kelly's fins, they really have nice drive to them and you can feel a difference. I ride them in a Wynn biscuit, that 5'9" x 20 1/2 x 2 5/8. I'm 145 lb.
     
  8. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    future WCT specs are actually really close to FCS K2.1 - I agree, I really like this fin template

    The K3 is a little more swept back than the K2.1 - the Future YU is pretty close; as is the Solus
     
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  9. fins369

    fins369 Well-Known Member

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    Nov 17, 2008
    Blackstix - AM1s love them. they have a slight concave that adds a lot of lift and speed to the board. not great for fast/larger surf, board gets too skittish. switch to the WCT's when the surf gets a few feed overhead. their flat inside edges keep the board's speed in check, and their low rake allows for tighter turns.
     
  10. desinaner

    desinaner Member

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    Dec 24, 2012
    Yea, I had a feeling there would be little to no difference, especially with them being with Al Merrick and named the same thing. Thanks

    Precisely why I asked about the shaper's fins.. sick colors! Hah your responses are funny..

    Could you or someone elaborate on the difference of point breaks and beach breaks more?

    Do you want more drawn out turns for a point break because the wave typically peels and you might want some distance in your turns? Or with beach breaks you want to be able to pivot more sharply for whatever reason?

    Ugh, waterbaby had me liking the idea of the WCTs, but what you're saying about the inside convave makes sense. Plus the WCTs would go awesome with my board (It's red, green, and yellow.. and I am painting the board with those colors. Would look sick with em. http://www.jackssurfboards.com/surf...1177-907-00/?gclid=CNv7hcm77LoCFTBnOgodNE0AxA)


    Perhaps I should tell you guys when and how I want to surf. I have another 6'0 shortboard I'll be using in the winter with k2.1s. I will be using the neckbeard mostly during the fall (now) and on the winter days where it's firing but not that powerful. Figure waist to head high clean waves.. anything more and I'll probably switch the other board.
    I should be throwing airs soon, so I do want a lot of speed out of my turns.. but I am also trying to get a lot more vertical, so really tight, pivoty turns is important.
    The board already felt pretty loose in Cali, so I don't think I want fins that would make the board too loose or I feel I'll be slipping out all over the place. Which fins would go best with this?

    Thanks for everyones help, I appreciate it!
     
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  11. windswellsucks

    windswellsucks Well-Known Member

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    Oct 20, 2007
    AM2s rule. and i dont even ride a merrick
     
  12. wavehog1

    wavehog1 Well-Known Member

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    Sep 20, 2013
    First off, don't believe all the hype and magazine push. If you really want to know what works best try to find out what the pros use in the contests. This isn't always easy though because they don't always want you to know. If they are getting paid to promote something else then they have to keep what they truly use a secret from the public.

    I actually know of several well named pros that surf a particular board they like but have to cover it with a sticker of the board they are sponsored by.

    Anyway as far as fin selection you can spend the money trying all different kinds, shapes, sizes, etc... and chances are if you don't rip you aren't going to know the difference anyway.

    I always recommend for most common surfing folks to use a bigger fin. (That's actually what the pros use)

    Bigger fins create more drive and speed and also allow for harder ripping turns.

    You can use three, four, five or even one fin but what works best is three. Once again, do a fin count on the boards used in contests.
     
  13. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    well there's a matter of goddamn opinion if i've ever heard one!


    to the OP...you said the board felt good out in CA. well, what fins were you using out there? sounds like a good starting point to me.
    IMO, i think the K2.1/WCT fin is too small for you. you'd benefit a LOT from a slightly bigger fin. the AM-2 is my go-to fin for futures, regardless of the brand of board i'm riding. when i had a neckbeard & rode the True Ames version & really liked it. ditto w/ my white diamond. if you want something more upright & pivoty, the MB-2 is a good choice.
     
  14. bassplayer

    bassplayer Well-Known Member

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    Oct 2, 2012
  15. sisurfdogg

    sisurfdogg Well-Known Member

    Jun 17, 2013
    100%. And look at all the pics of the pros bustin airs and going vertical on large waves. Almost all are tri fins. And I am a hack, and when I put bigger fins in my fish it is still loose, but I can carve harder and it has more drive and speed. Those stiff weird shaped Futures do go really fast and make sections normal non-carbon fins don't. Somehow friction/drag is minimized thru science.
     
  16. waterbaby

    waterbaby Well-Known Member

    Oct 1, 2012
    maybe it's just a matter of acclimation, but I'm 15 lbs more than the OP (at the WCT upper weight "borderline") and I actually prefer staying on the slightly smaller fin side. When I tried the next size up, I felt over-finned...in fact, I've ridden the WCT with the TT1 (small/trailer center) in head high waves and could crank bottom turns fine with no sliding.
     
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  17. EmassSpicoli

    EmassSpicoli Well-Known Member

    Apr 16, 2013
    Very good point KM.

    Let's please recognize the preferred fin for the 50-and-over LB crowd is the Honeycombover. They say you can hardly notice it.
     
  18. garbanzobean

    garbanzobean Well-Known Member

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    Sep 15, 2010
    Ya'll get sucked into the BS fin thing so easily. Under finned, over finned, fat guy, skinny dude, what's Kelly riding today? I long for the days when the dang things were part of the hull the designer intended and that's it. No phony stories to get me to buy more junk. You really think carbon fiber honeycomb fins are going to make you surf better? Bet you don't have a clue what the skeg toe in and cant are on your barney rubble pro model are. Or how far off the tail they are set. Those are numbers that really affect the way a board turns, drives, and releases as far as keels go. If I had a nickel for every LB geezer that told me how his turbo tunnel changed his life I could actually get a ticket to Nica to surf with you trustafarians. Then I could learn to surf good enough to tell the difference between injection molded thermo plastic nylon impregnated polyvinl and pressure laminated bi-directional carbon with nomex cored epoxy resin $150 fins.
     
  19. njsurfer42

    njsurfer42 Well-Known Member

    Nov 9, 2009
    what, exactly, do you think the fins glassed on to your old, delaminating 90's thruster were made out of? injection molded plastic & nylon? nope...fiberglass (& later, RTM honeycomb & fiberglass)! the reason fin companies started selling injection molded plastic/nylon fins is because they are CHEAP to produce & are LIGHT WEIGHT. that's it. have you looked at the flex pattern of your plastic fins? ever felt like you couldn't get drive out of your board? pop through turns? change your fins, buddy.
    it's so sad/funny to me that people are so on guard against being sold bs that they lash out against the idea that fins make a difference, all the while frothing over the newest ci/lost/firewire/js model...that they're going to put ****ty super flexy fins in. then ***** about how the model sucks b/c it doesn't work for them.
     
  20. wavehog1

    wavehog1 Well-Known Member

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    Sep 20, 2013
    Hilarious.

    http://www.surfersvillage.com/conten...set-win-tahiti

    http://www.cisurfboards.com/blog/201...fiji-pro-2012/

    Exactly my point bassplayer.... they actually made note of kelly riding a quad because its very rare to ride anything but tri.

    NJsurfer, the reason they started making removable fins was to create a fin market. Sure it makes it a little easier on trips to remove your fins. In the business world though this is creating a market.

    Now they have all kinds of different fins. From big to small, aerodynamic, fluidynamic, some that move, whistle, vibrate, glow in the dark etc....

    Truth is a good standard larger size fin (not too big) something around a g-7 is going to be the best set up for the typical surfer. This size fin creates more drive and speed.

    Have to agree with Garbanzobean.... most of you would never know the difference if your fins were switched out and replaced with something different.